Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

[bornofGod888]

 

[MoreCoffee]

YEC is yuck

 

[NorrinRadd]

Mine would be that jesus is micheal the archangel and that hell doesnt exist.

Name one that you have thought was biblical but found out it was heretical?

I'm going to answer the question posed in the Subject line, not in the above quote.

1) Used to believe heresy is a Big Deal.

Now believe "Everybody is somebody's heretic."


2) Used to believe "Inerrancy" is a Big Deal.

Now believe Scripture is authoritative, inspired, even inerrant, but that *practically* speaking, unless we also have inerrant transmission, translation, interpretation, and instructions for application, inerrancy of the original mss. is moot.


3) Used to believe patriarchal authority structure is normative.

Now believe equality/mutuality was the Created Order, patriarchalism is an artifact of the Fall and is abolished in Christ.


4) Used to believe the 1 Cor. 14 "rules" governing tongues and interpretation were absolute and universal, and any person or group violating them was either deceived or manifesting demonic influence.

Now, because none of the tongues-speaking occasions in Acts followed those "rules," that they were only suggestions that are useful guidelines for disorderly churches akin to the one at Corinth, and are in no way absolute, universal, or normative.


5) Used to believe YEC and Global Flood were Big Deals.

Now still believe in literal "Adam and Eve," and in a Flood that destroyed all but 8 humans, but time spans and geographic extents are not that important to me.


6) Used to believe in the common Protestant version of Original Sin.

Now no longer believe in hereditary guilt.


7) Used to believe the vice and virtue lists in the NT were mandatory in terms of salvation.

Now believe we retain and complete our salvation the same way we initially gained it -- by grace through faith, apart from works.


8) Used to believe Jesus did His miracles because He was God.

Now believe that Jesus was and is God, even during the Incarnation, but that all supernatural knowledge and powers He demonstrated were at the instruction of the Father and by the power of the Spirit, not by His own intrinsic deity.


9) Used to believe Xians could "lose" salvation by sinning, and regain it by repenting

Now believe Xians cannot "lose" salvation, but theoretically CAN willfully cast it aside, and that once that happens, there is no remedy.


There are probably others. That should be enough for now.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

YEC is yuck

I can say I finally agree with the RCs on that
YEC vs OEC seems to always lead to the topic of evolution for some reason.

Btw, what are the RCs views on evolution?


http://www.christianforums.com/t7658942/

Young Earth Creation as opposed to Old Earth Creation

In my opinion, there are only three reasons why a bible believing Christian would believe in macro-evolution.

1) First, and probably most common is that they've gone through our wonderful liberal indoctrination camp, public school. Yes, public school where we send our children to learn that there is no God, and we're all animals related to worms.

2) Secondly, it may be that in an effort not to offend, or perhaps to insulate themselves from ridicule they've thrown their lot in with the evolutionists, compromising a perfectly good bible with an absurd theory to keep from being attacked for their faith.

3) And third, and most disheartening, a total lack of faith in God. They believe the same creator who created the earth, moon, and stars, the universe, the heavens and all that in them is, the seas and all that in them is, had to use a mechanism by which death would bring forth man, and in so doing make Himself into a liar. He states in Genesis, that by sin, man brought death into the world.

My point behind this thread is not to attack evolutionists, and I in no way think that Christians who believe in evolution are somehow not still saved. My point is to discuss theologicaly the creation as stated in the bible, and where macro-evolution is supposed to fit.

That being said let me clarify something. No one denies that variations among the kinds (sometimes called micro-evolution) happens. It's demonstrable, testable, and provable. Macro-evo, tries to piggy back off of micro-evo's evidence to seem possible. Now, without getting into a scientific debate on whether macro-evo is true or not, I instead want to focus on where in scripture old EOC's get their proof.

I would ask only one other thing, if you do not believe in creation in any form, ( aka atheist) please refrain from this discussion. As I said this is not a scientific discussion, but a theological one. Thank you.

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[bornofGod888]

dunt...dunt...dunt...

Another one bites the dust.

dunt...dunt...dunt...

Another one bites the dust.

And another one's gone,

And another one's gone,

Another one bites the dust...

 

[AmericanChristian91]

I can say I finally agree with the RCs on that
YEC vs OEC seems to always lead to the topic of evolution for some reason.

Btw, what are the RCs views on evolution?

I'm not a RC, but this may help.......

Adam, Eve, and Evolution | Catholic Answers

 

[Pteriax]

dunt...dunt...dunt...

Another one bites the dust.

dunt...dunt...dunt...

Another one bites the dust.

And another one's gone,

And another one's gone,

Another one bites the dust...

And it keeps getting worse. Or more of the same, whatever. I am a little surprised actually.

 

[sonshine234]

A few others too went by the wayside:

• TULIP
• KJV-Mainly
• Tongues-like-in-my-local-pentecostal-meeting
• That all too common allergy to Mary
• Fear of statues in church
• The belief that the departed faithful know nothing about our earthly journey and cannot or do not pray for us
• An occasional prophecy about the alleged ministry one will have

I'll your list too

 

[bornofGod888]

And it keeps getting worse. Or more of the same, whatever. I am a little surprised actually.

II Timothy 4:3-4

 

[sonshine234]

Some of the comments on this thread scare me. Yes, they sound like renunciations of the truth...

Indeed. Especially the comment that said Christ was not a man. There is a lot of heresy masking itself as Christianity here

 

[bornofGod888]

The Scriptures teach, and the Church has likewise always confessed, that Baptism is for the remission of sins.

To say that Baptism is "just a symbol of faith" is an explicitly unbiblical statement and contrary to two thousand years of consistent, biblical, Christian teaching on the subject.

While I won't call sacramentarians "heretics", their rejection of the Sacraments which Christ explicitly instituted, Baptism and His Supper, as efficacious Means by which God acts according to the ways He has promised to act through them is a clear denial of biblical, orthodox, historic teaching.

A symbol-only Baptism is an unbiblical, unorthodox notion that denies the efficacy of Word and Sacrament.

-CryptoLutheran

http://www.christianforums.com/t7760390-51/#post63873312

 

[Pteriax]

II Timothy 4:3-4

Okay point taken, I should not be surprised. It's just the fact that it is coming from professing Christians I guess. On the other hand my experiences in various churches growing up were no different. How 'bout appalled instead of surprised.

 

[bornofGod888]

Okay point taken, I should not be surprised. It's just the fact that it is coming from professing Christians I guess. On the other hand my experiences in various churches growing up were no different. How 'bout appalled instead of surprised.

"Appalled" sounds about right...

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Okay point taken, I should not be surprised. It's just the fact that it is coming from professing Christians I guess.
On the other hand my experiences in various churches growing up were no different. How 'bout appalled instead of surprised.

Indeed

Blue Letter Bible - Search Results for NIV
"appalled"
occurs 26 times in 26 verses in the NIV


Isa 52:14
Just as there were many who were appalled at Him-- His appearance was so disfigured beyond that of any human being and His form marred beyond human likeness--




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[Going Merry]

YEC is yuck

i believe in YEC still. Well i consider a lot of things literal in the bible. its all history to me

 

[ViaCrucis]

http://www.christianforums.com/t7760390-51/#post63873312

I'm aware of your position on this subject, but it doesn't change the fact of what Scripture explicitly states and what Christianity has always taught.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[BelievingIsObeying]

I used to think praying out loud was needed, but not anymore. I now realize that I should pray in secret and not openly.

 

[MamaZ]

Never said Christ was not a man. I was raise as a mormon so it has a meaning you do not understand lest you have been taught the mormon doctrine. I know who Christ is.

 

[Going Merry]

I lost the belief that many people who profess christ are saved

 

[Pteriax]

I'm aware of your position on this subject, but it doesn't change the fact of what Scripture explicitly states and what Christianity has always taught.

-CryptoLutheran

You people love to say what Christianity has always taught don't you? What is the earliest SPECIFIC mention of infant baptism? Don't give me the household garbage either, that is ambiguous at best. I want a specific example with a specific date attached to it, so we can all see just how long it has "always been taught".