Name a doctrine that you used to believe in but dont anymore.

[Jig]

• That the Church is the Israel of God.

When do you believe this switch-over happened? The Crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension, Pentecost, etc.?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

i used to believe i could fly .. but that didn't work out for me .. no i'm kidding .

 

[Knee V]

When do you believe this switch-over happened? The Crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension, Pentecost, etc.?

The Church is the Israel of God, and there was never a "switch". There has always been one historically continuous people of God, from Adam to today.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee

• That the Church is the Israel of God.

When do you believe this switch-over happened?
The Crucifixion, the Resurrection, the Ascension, Pentecost, etc.?

The Church is the Israel of God, and there was never a "switch". There has always been one historically continuous people of God, from Adam to today.

The phrase "Israel of God" only occurs 1 time in the Christian Bible.

Gal 6:16
And as many as walk according to this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.

There is a rather lenghthy discussion on this thread concerning that, for those interested:

ttp://www.christianforums.com/t7459656-101/
National Israel is cursed forever!

Originally Posted by Hentenza

Read Romans 11. Israel's rejection is not final.
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Originally Posted by anthony55

I have read it, and yes, it is final, she will never bear fruit again.
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Mar 11:20
Now in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
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And Peter, remembering, said to Him, “Rabbi, look!
The fig tree which Thou cursed has withered away.”


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[Johnnz]

All the promises to Israel were fulfilled in Christ. We Gentiles are grafted into the new Israel constituted in Christ. God now has one family, both Jews and Gentiles

John
NZ

 

[sunlover1]

Mine would be that jesus is micheal the archangel and that hell doesnt exist.

Name one that you have thought was biblical but found out it was heretical?

Praying to Mary.
Infant baptism washes away original sin.

 

[MoreCoffee]

I gave up believing that speaking gibberish is speaking in tongues.

 

[Gnarwhal]

I gave up believing that speaking gibberish is speaking in tongues.

Seconded.

 

[Jig]

The Church is the Israel of God, and there was never a "switch". There has always been one historically continuous people of God, from Adam to today.

Allow me to rephrase my question. When do you believe the Church began?

 

[Knee V]

Allow me to rephrase my question. When do you believe the Church began?

Many people would say that the church began in 33AD, and I understand why they say that, and depending on how we define "begin", I can technically agree. But I would maintain rather that the "church" began at creation when God created Adam. Since that time there has always been a people of faith, even if it was only a small number at times. Of course, with Christ and the coming of the Holy Spirit, God has given us something that He never gave mankind before that, and has begun to innaugurate His kingdom in a way that He never had up until that point, and the way that we relate to Him changed forever - there were a lot of things that were new and different about man's relationship to God - but there was still a people of faith, just as there always had been.

Paul (I forget the exact passage off the top of my head, but I'm sure you're familiar with it) says that the church is "built on the foundation of the prophets and the apostles, Christ being the chief cornerstone". And by "prophets" he is referring to the Prophets of the Old Testament. This is reflected in John's apocalyptic vision of the New Jerusalem, whose 12 gates are the 12 tribes of Israel, and whose 12 foundations are the 12 Apostles (I do not believe that the New Jerusalem is an actual city that we will live in, but is symbolic of the church. The contrast of the two "cities" in Revelation is a contrast between two "peoples" or two "systems". Either we can choose to be part of old Babylon, or we can choose to be part of new Jerusalem). So whether in plain speech or in apocalyptic vision, the Apostles show us that there is a continuity between the Old and the New, and that both are part of the one People of God.

 

[sunlover1]

I gave up believing that speaking gibberish is speaking in tongues.

Seconded.

I gave up thinking tongues was gibberish.
(I read the Bible )

 

[ImaginaryDay]

I gave up on the 'Complementarian' marriage model (the husband is the 'head'/leader of the wife and the wife must submit in all things to her 'lord')

 

[Gnarwhal]

(I read the Bible )

Weird, so did we. So... 1-1 there.

 

[Johnnz]

We did the same,plus unquestioning acceptance of pastoral authority.

John
NZ

 

[MoreCoffee]

One can type in tongues ... kiyama burundi bushandi yamma tikka tikka myama ...

see

 

[Knee V]

One can type in tongues ... kiyama burundi bushandi yamma tikka tikka myama ...

see

Shoulda bought a Honda but I bought a Kia. (Say that as quickly as you can)

 

[sunlover1]

I gave up on the 'Complementarian' marriage model (the husband is the 'head'/leader of the wife and the wife must submit in all things to her 'lord')

lol. Whatever floats your boat

Weird, so did we. So... 1-1 there.

Well we must have read different parts.

We did the same,plus unquestioning acceptance of pastoral authority.

John
NZ

Say what? LOL

One can type in tongues ... kiyama burundi bushandi yamma tikka tikka myama ...

see

LMK if you need that interpreted.

 

[Gnarwhal]

One can type in tongues ... kiyama burundi bushandi yamma tikka tikka myama ... see

Shoulda bought a Honda but I bought a Kia. (Say that as quickly as you can)

Ya'll forgot the "ha-shuh-shuh-shuh-shuh-shuh-shuh".

 

[Joykins]

Shoulda bought a Honda but I bought a Kia. (Say that as quickly as you can)

The way I heard it is "I shoulda bought a Honda but I bought a Mitsubishi."

 

[sunlover1]

You're both right in saying you shoulda bought hondas.