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Featured Nagasaki - what was really targetted and why?

Discussion in 'Conspiracy Theories' started by Mountainmike, Dec 7, 2018 at 6:12 AM.

  1. Mountainmike

    Mountainmike Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Evidence implies that the obvious second military target in Japan was ignored (which was in clear weather), and the replacement target Nagasaki (in much worse weather) had only one major military target - the mitsubishi ship yards.

    But the bomb did not strike even close to the shipyard ...it was several KM north, the epicentre was the Cathedral. Nagasaki was the actually the thriving and growing centre of japanese Christianity and nicknamed "little Rome" because of it.

    And those deciding the targetting were part of the so called "brotherhood of death" - a masonic society, determined to wipe out christianity.

    It may be just a conspiracy theory, but it is particularly nasty.
    And there never was a logic behind Nagasaki as a military target - which would have been way down any list of military target options.
    You judge....

    The Secret of Nagasaki
     
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  2. myst33

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    I did not study it, but I have heard that most targets of NATO bombardment of Serbia were orthodox churches.

    But who knows...
     
  3. chevyontheriver

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    I think you are right. They got a free shot at a Catholic community and took it.
     
  4. Lazarus Short

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    In the first US aggression on Iraq, under Bush 41, most Christian churches in the country were bombed, including the very old cathedral in Baghdad.
     
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  5. com7fy8

    com7fy8 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    But were those Catholics fighting the U.S.?

    In case Nagasaki had a significant number of people working as soldiers in combat, what percentage of them were fighting the Allies?

    I have been told that Japan was trying to take over the world, and they claimed they were the superior race or whatever. So, were Catholics in on this, in Japan? Or, were they martyring themselves by refusing to be in such an anti-God thing? And what percentage of the population, then, was Catholic and how many of them were standing against the Japanese imperialism thing?

    Or . . . what do you consider to be relevant?
     
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  6. SkyWriting

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    I always assumed the target was civilians, retaliating for suicide bombers.
     
  7. Mountainmike

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    That video puts a much darker side on it, and worrying plausible too.
     
  8. EJ M

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    This from Wiki;
    After exceeding the original departure time limit by nearly a half-hour, Bockscar, accompanied by The Great Artiste, proceeded to Kokura, thirty minutes away. The delay at the rendezvous had resulted in clouds and drifting smoke over Kokura from fires started by a major firebombing raid by 224 B-29s on nearby Yahata the previous day.[196] Additionally, the Yahata Steel Works intentionally burned coal tar, to produce black smoke.[197] The clouds and smoke resulted in 70% of the area over Kokura being covered, obscuring the aiming point. Three bomb runs were made over the next 50 minutes, burning fuel and exposing the aircraft repeatedly to the heavy defenses around Kokura, but the bombardier was unable to drop visually. By the time of the third bomb run, Japanese antiaircraft fire was getting close, and Second Lieutenant Jacob Beser, who was monitoring Japanese communications, reported activity on the Japanese fighter direction radio bands.[198]

    After three runs over the city, and with fuel running low because of the failed fuel pump, Bockscar and The Great Artiste headed for their secondary target, Nagasaki.[191] Fuel consumption calculations made en route indicated that Bockscar had insufficient fuel to reach Iwo Jima and would be forced to divert to Okinawa, which had become entirely Allied-occupied territory only six weeks earlier. After initially deciding that if Nagasaki were obscured on their arrival the crew would carry the bomb to Okinawa and dispose of it in the ocean if necessary, Ashworth agreed with Sweeney's suggestion that a radar approach would be used if the target was obscured.[199][200] At about 07:50 Japanese time, an air raid alert was sounded in Nagasaki, but the "all clear" signal was given at 08:30. When only two B-29 Superfortresses were sighted at 10:53, the Japanese apparently assumed that the planes were only on reconnaissance and no further alarm was given.[201]
     
  9. chevyontheriver

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    In most warfare conducted by this country before the firebombing of Dresden it was assumed that one does not target civilians. Occasional civilian casualties were an unintended consequence. Nuclear weapons did target civilian populations. That was a shift, started at Dresden, continued at Nagasaki. It was evil.
     
  10. Mountainmike

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    I am not certain, but several things are evident.
    1/ the brotherhood really does exist, as amongst other things a secret group at Yale.
    2/ masonry really is trying to create new world order, destroying christianity
    3/ some of those figures were evident higher up in the targetting chain, indeed one such figure took over targetting
    4/ The area around that cathedral really was afar east centre of christianity.
    5/ It is hell of a coincidence:
    5.1 First to choose a place low down on the list of useful targets.
    5.2 Picking a place with poor weather over (the original) designated target 2
    5.3 To miss the target by miles
    5.4 To happen to hit the church spot on!

    I dont believe in multifactor coincidences.


     
  11. Mountainmike

    Mountainmike Well-Known Member Supporter

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    As a general rule I dont trust WIKI.
    Or at least until checking the facts.
    If for example you take any phenomenon linked to christianity you see sceptic pseudoscience and references replacing the real science.

    The question begged in the video was.. they deliberately avoided firebombing in areas that were nuclear targets. Why did they break their own rule?

     
  12. nonaeroterraqueous

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    Japanese military production had been incorporated into civilian residences. Homes were literally converted into factories. When a clear distinction between civilian and military structures is obscured, then everything must become a target. During a war of that magnitude, the military machinery is powered by civilian economy, which becomes almost as valuable a target, anyway. Surgical strikes are a luxury of high technology and a heavily lopsided conflict.
     
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  13. Mountainmike

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    Which has an element of truth. But aeroplanes, ships, and machines of war , or big ordnance, or the housing of major army divisions, or the industries that supply them - like coal and steel - are not in essence built in homes nor can they be.
    Since only one A bomb was previously dropped there were dozens of available targets to maximise industrial damage, and aim to reduce civilian damage.
    Hiroshima and Kokura could be singled out as genuinie military targets. Hiroshima had major army divisions.
    Nagasaki was a lot less important. And The important part of Nagasaki was not even touched or close.
     
  14. com7fy8

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    Thank you for taking the time to answer me.

    I was told that they bombed civilian cities in order to bring Japan to surrender . . . rather than getting many soldiers killed during a land invasion. The number killed in an invasion would have been more than those killed by the nukes. I think this is one claim, anyway.

    Of course, I agree that either way would be evil. But giving in to the Japanese would be also considered evil, by a number of people.

    And I was told that the American military arranged for Japanese women to be prostitutes for American occupation soldiers. That would be evil, not what well-meaning world-saving people would do, I would say, in case that is true. But, of course, that does not speak for all involved. But when God had the Jews conduct a military op, He expected all to be pure and right with Him. Or, things could get messy. You can't fight a war right, or do anything really right, while you are not right. This is why now a number of countries have such messy operations during their military and other activities.
     
  15. com7fy8

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    You can't stop Christianity by destroying church buildings.

    And, of course, not all consider Catholicism to be Christianity. There are non-Catholic Christians who might even . . . self-righteously . . . welcome hearing that a large religious building has been brought down. But, I like I say, this would be self-righteous. I can tend to look down on ones I do not agree with; and so if a Catholic cathedral was bombed, I might welcome this as an excuse to feel God in mysterious ways is resisting people of religious pride; but this would be self-righteous of me, not really busy with caring about other people.

    So, even if Masonic people were behind trashing a cathedral, it really could be fighting Christianity by tempting me to be self righteous. And, yes, when news comes out about the predator problem, I can give in to being self-righteous instead of caring in prayer for any and all people, with hope for all which is possible with God in us.
     
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  16. miamited

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    HI all,

    I must say that as I read through the posts on this thread I find myself thinking that it's really quite amazing what people choose to believe.

    God bless,
    In Christ, ted
     
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  17. RDKirk

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    Wrong.

    I was on the targeting teams, and you're just plain wrong.
     
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  18. Lazarus Short

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    I trusted my sources, back in the day. History, as usual, is bunk...as Henry Ford said.
     
  19. RDKirk

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    The percentage of Christians in Japan has always been socially insignificant. Moreover, Christians were socially disadvantaged as well.

    Back in the 80s, I knew an elderly Japanese Christian woman who had been a young girl in Osaka during WWII. Her father had actually been a Christian missionary in Manchuria who spent the war in a Japanese prison camp. She said that when US bombers struck Osaka, she didn't know how to feel about it--whether she wanted the Allies to defeat the Japanese or not, because she was afraid of both the bombers and the Japanese government.

    She also reported that the Japanese were preparing for a land invasion by teaching young girls like her to make bamboo knives so as to lure American soldiers close, stab them, and them stab themselves.
     
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  20. RDKirk

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    Targeting any religious building has been a clear violation of the Law of Armed Conflict since the Vietnam War--which was required annual training for every person in uniform.

    Those of us involved in targeting got additional training in how the LOAC specifically applied to us. We didn't even target mosques. It would have been impossible to hide such an intention--too many people in too many places were involved. People would have gone to prison. It flat didn't happen.
     
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