My theology

[SabbathBlessings]

That’s interesting because it’s the one’s who don’t eat that Paul says are weak in faith in Romans 14.

“Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not for the purpose of passing judgment on his opinions. One person has faith that he may eat all things, but he who is weak eats vegetables only. The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭14‬:‭1‬-‭3‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

And we’re right back to the same hypocrisy of quoting Isaiah 66:23 as evidence that we will observe the sabbath even tho that very same passage says the same exact thing about the New Moon feasts which you’ve already admitted that we are not obligated to keep. Again inconsistency in your interpretation.

Food is often used as an illustration of something deeper as in Romans and as Jesus taught Mat 15:16-20. Romans 14 is about what man deems, their opinions, not what God deemed. Rom 14:1, 5 I think Jesus plainly telling what is still an abomination at His Second Coming and what happens Isa 66:17 is a pretty stern warning and I would consider if thats the ending working backwards from that, keeping in mind the warning of Paul’s writings that we are told many misinterpret and consequences in doing so which matches the warning that Jesus said in His own words. 2 Peter 3:15-16 Mat 7:21-23 Isa 66:17 Rev 22:14-15 Not worth the risk for me, but we are given free will.

I am pretty sure we have been through all of these arguments many times. So I am going to bow out and guess we will find out soon enough. I wish you well. Take care

 

[Lost4words]

Op....i would not judge you for the way you love and serve God day to day...

God knows our hearts, minds and souls.

He understands us like no other.

If you have issues regarding being around people then i am sure God is understanding.

God bless you on your journey my friend.

 

[Dan Perez]

May I share my theology? My theology is simple. I follow Jesus simple commands. I don't concern myself with lofty questions that I can't answer. I believe in the holy spirit teacher and I don't have a church for two reasons. One reason is that my opinion may not be welcome in these last days. And secondly I suffer social anxiety, so I stay away from people. This is not a sin but a weakness. But when im weak I'm strong. I can do all things in Christ, even walk alone. I love the Lord deeply. When I'm not fighting battles with anxiety or psychosis I'm joyful, even overflowing with joy. I once was a slave to sin but the Lord set me free and helped me fight the good fight of faith. I love to pray and meditate on scripture. It's like medicine for my soul. Sometimes I sing a song in my heart. That's about it. Simple commands and good worship.

And 1 Cor 11:1 reads , You become IMITATORS of ME , just as I also am of Christ !!

What about salvation , in Rom 10:9 , That IF you should confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus , and should believe

in your heart that God raised HIM from the dead , you will be saved !! Do YOU believe that !!

dan p

 

[BNR32FAN]

Food is often used as an illustration of something deeper as in Romans and as Jesus taught Mat 15:16-20. Romans 14 is about what man deems, their opinions, not what God deemed. Rom 14:1, 5 I think Jesus plainly telling what is still an abomination at His Second Coming and what happens Isa 66:17 is a pretty stern warning and I would consider if thats the ending working backwards from that, keeping in mind the warning of Paul’s writings that we are told many misinterpret and consequences in doing so which matches the warning that Jesus said in His own words. 2 Peter 3:15-16 Mat 7:21-23 Isa 66:17 Rev 22:14-15 Not worth the risk for me, but we are given free will.

I am pretty sure we have been through all of these arguments many times. So I am going to bow out and guess we will find out soon enough. I wish you well. Take care

Isaiah 66:17 is referring to before the New Covenant hence verses 18-20

“For the Lord will execute judgment by fire And by His sword on all flesh, And those slain by the Lord will be many. “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine’s flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether,” declares the Lord. “For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory. I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Tubal and Javan, to the distant coastlands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare My glory among the nations. Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the Lord, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the Lord, “just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the Lord. I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭16‬-‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Verse 17 took place before all nations were gathered to God and before the New Covenant was established and the Gentiles were grafted into God’s covenant at which time the dietary laws were still in effect. The illustration here is that these people fell to immorality. It wouldn’t make any sense at all for this to have taken place after the New Covenant and these people are being judged according to food and drink when Paul specifically stated in Colossians 2:16 that we are not to be judged according to food or drink and when he said the same thing in Romans 14. What you’re implying here is that Paul’s statement in Colossians 2:16 is incorrect and we will be judged according to what we eat. So you’re not applying all scripture to your interpretation of this passage because you have a contradiction in your interpretation and you’re not reading the surrounding context to determine when this actually took place.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Isaiah 66:17 is referring to before the New Covenant hence verses 18-20

“For the Lord will execute judgment by fire And by His sword on all flesh, And those slain by the Lord will be many. “Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go to the gardens, Following one in the center, Who eat swine’s flesh, detestable things and mice, Will come to an end altogether,” declares the Lord. “For I know their works and their thoughts; the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and see My glory. I will set a sign among them and will send survivors from them to the nations: Tarshish, Put, Lud, Meshech, Tubal and Javan, to the distant coastlands that have neither heard My fame nor seen My glory. And they will declare My glory among the nations. Then they shall bring all your brethren from all the nations as a grain offering to the Lord, on horses, in chariots, in litters, on mules and on camels, to My holy mountain Jerusalem,” says the Lord, “just as the sons of Israel bring their grain offering in a clean vessel to the house of the Lord. I will also take some of them for priests and for Levites,” says the Lord.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭66‬:‭16‬-‭21‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Verse 17 took place before all nations were gathered to God and before the New Covenant was established and the Gentiles were grafted into God’s covenant at which time the dietary laws were still in effect. The illustration here is that these people fell to immorality. It wouldn’t make any sense at all for this to have taken place after the New Covenant and these people are being judged according to food and drink when Paul specifically stated in Colossians 2:16 that we are not to be judged according to food or drink and when he said the same thing in Romans 14. What you’re implying here is that Paul’s statement in Colossians 2:16 is incorrect and we will be judged according to what we eat. So you’re not applying all scripture to your interpretation of this passage because you have a contradiction in your interpretation and you’re not reading the surrounding context to determine when this actually took place.

These verses very much refer to His Second Coming.

Judgement is the last day. John 12:48. When did Jesus consume anyone, He came as a baby. When did Jesus gather all nations, when has anyone seen His Glory? No one can see His Glory and live in our mortal bodies. Jesus never came as a King the first time, He came as a Man. When did Jesus make a New Heaven and a New Earth? v. 22 No this is very much at His Second Coming, when He comes as a King Mat 25:31 and gathers all saints from the four corners of the earth Mat 24:31 and His saints will meet Him in the air 1 Thes 4:17, all sinners who are alive at His Second Coming will be destroyed. Isa 11:4 Jer 25:33 Isa 66:17

 

[soldier of light]

Every day my reward
Peaceful rest in the Lord

 

[soldier of light]

It would be hard only resting in the Lord once a week. Just food for thought

 

[jas3]

It would be hard only resting in the Lord once a week. Just food for thought

This is true, and it was a major problem I had before finding Orthodoxy. It was also a problem the founder of my childhood denomination had, and in response he with a few others developed a methodical approach to daily prayer, twice weekly fasting, and weekly communion, but despite its name, the denomination didn't preserve John Wesley's emphasis on the need for these things, at least not with regularity.

In contrast, there is a much stronger, living tradition of daily prayer and Scripture reading, fasting, and general spiritual and moral discipline in the more traditional churches like Orthodoxy and Catholicism, as well as a few traditional Protestant denominations. The faith isn't supposed to be something you only practice on Sundays.

 

[soldier of light]

This is true, and it was a major problem I had before finding Orthodoxy. It was also a problem the founder of my childhood denomination had, and in response he with a few others developed a methodical approach to daily prayer, twice weekly fasting, and weekly communion, but despite its name, the denomination didn't preserve John Wesley's emphasis on the need for these things, at least not with regularity.

In contrast, there is a much stronger, living tradition of daily prayer and Scripture reading, fasting, and general spiritual and moral discipline in the more traditional churches like Orthodoxy and Catholicism, as well as a few traditional Protestant denominations. The faith isn't supposed to be something you only practice on Sundays.

. I fast from sin and politics daily

 

[Strong in Him]

May I share my theology? My theology is simple. I follow Jesus simple commands. I don't concern myself with lofty questions that I can't answer.

Jesus asked many questions that are hard to answer; are you unconcerned about those, also?

I believe in the holy spirit teacher

The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. He inspired the Scriptures to be written and can interpret them, and show us how to apply them. But there are many things that the Spirit does not teach, like OT Hebrew and NT Greek. The Bible was written in these languages so it is interesting, and important, to find out what the authors were really saying and what their words meant.
The Holy Spirit also does not teach us what the culture was like in Bible times; what traditions and beliefs they had, and so on.

I don't have a church for two reasons. One reason is that my opinion may not be welcome in these last days.

You don't go to church partly because others may disagree with you?
At best, that sounds like someone who is so insecure and unsure of their beliefs that they could not cope with being challenged.
At worst, it sounds like someone who has an attitude of "I know I'm right; I don't need you."

How do you know that going to a church and sharing/stating your beliefs won't challenge others, cause them to see/do things in a new way and grow in their faith and/or Christian witness?

And secondly I suffer social anxiety, so I stay away from people.

That's a shame.
Could you find, or ask for, a quieter service? There may be others, like you, who would benefit from it.

I can do all things in Christ, even walk alone.

Sometimes walking alone is unavoidable, but it is not meant to be our general practice.

 

[Strong in Him]

Paul said to avoid people who don't obey the truth. Paul also said that people wouldn't endure the truth in the last days. We are in the last days. If I went to your church you would argue against me like now.

So you think that you, alone, have the truth?

 

[Strong in Him]

Don't you think that we are gathered here, discussing the Lord's word?

No, we are sitting alone in front of computer screens, in different counties, different countries and different time zones.
It's fine and it's better than nothing - I only joined these forums when I was chronically ill and didn't often get to church. But having a cup of tea, a chat, a prayer and a hug from someone who cares, is far better. Plus, you may be helping and encouraging them. If you can get to church and keep going despite your problems, they may be encouraged to believe that they can too.

 

[Strong in Him]

I believe that the Lord can heal, teach, rebuke, and edify us even over the internet.

Yes, and he can also do it through meeting up with other believers.

 

[Strong in Him]

I'll explain. First off, it wasn't me who said that I didn't need other people, but its other people on the internet who did that to me. They didn't need me.

If it was people on the internet who told you that they didn't need you, why are you fellowshipping only with people on the internet?

 

[Aaron112]

Jesus asked many questions that are hard to answer; .......

Like what, for instance ?

 

[Aaron112]

The Holy Spirit leads us into all truth. He inspired the Scriptures to be written and can interpret them, and show us how to apply them. But there are many things that the Spirit does not teach, like OT Hebrew and NT Greek.

The Father Declared His Pleasure to Reveal Salvation and everything concerning Salvation to little children ; and to hide it from educated ones. And so He Does.
No problem learning from the Father the truth as the Father Reveals Truth as He Pleases to Whom He Delights to Reveals Truth - no phd required! No knowledge of other languages required! The Father is not limited in what He Reveals, not the way men think apart from Him.

The Holy Spirit also does not teach us what the culture was like in Bible times; what traditions and beliefs they had, and so on.

Again, the Father Delights to Reveal Truth Simply and Directly to those who trust Him like little children; culture, traditions, beliefs, and so on is not a limit nor a condition to be concerned about then being taught by God the way God Says in His Word.

You don't go to church partly because others may disagree with you?

He did not say that - do not misquote him.

How do you know that going to a church and sharing/stating your beliefs won't challenge others, cause them to see/do things in a new way and grow in their faith and/or Christian witness?

See how you and others oppose the revelation of truth that God has chosen to reveal to someone even if weak, uneducated , simple, trusting Jesus Daily even in and thru pain? Often churches, or assemblies, may be given a chance to believe the truth from someone they don't consider worthy of listening to - and the church or assembly or forum members choose so badly to oppose the truth revealed. tch tch tch.....

Sometimes walking alone is unavoidable, but it is not meant to be our general practice.

There is a time to walk alone, and a time to meet in small group and talk about Jesus. General practice is very poor imitator of Jesus and not very often reliable or true.

So you think that you, alone, have the truth?

He knows the truth. Those who love the truth realize this when he posts it. And may challenge him if he posts anything untrue or even just questionable. Remember truth is not promoted nor protected nor encouraged on the internet, so he is all the more bold in Jesus to give his testimony in Jesus as Jesus leads him.

 

[Strong in Him]

Like what, for instance ?

Like, "who do you say that I am?" for instance.
Only a man? Only a gifted teacher and healer? Or Man AND God; the Word made flesh?
Not everyone can, or is willing to, answer that question.

 

[Infirmus]

my theology (...) my opinion (...) I can do all things in Christ (...) I don't have a church (...) my soul (...) my heart etc. etc.

Somebody wise once said that every protestant is his own Pope. What an accurate observation it was!

 

[Strong in Him]

The Father Declared His Pleasure to Reveal Salvation and everything concerning Salvation to little children ; and to hide it from educated ones. And so He Does.

I didn't say otherwise.
I said that the Holy Spirit does not teach us the languages, traditions and customs of the Bible.
The Spirit helps us to know that Jesus is the Good Shepherd. He does not say, "in those days a shepherd would lead their sheep, lay down across the entrance to the sheep pen at night, call all his sheep by name", etc. They are facts that the listeners would have known for themselves, but which we have to look in commentaries to discover.

No problem learning from the Father the truth as the Father Reveals Truth as He Pleases to Whom He Delights to Reveals Truth - no phd required!

Never said that it was.

No knowledge of other languages required!

No, they are not required. But learning the languages, or something about the languages, in which the Bible was written can only be beneficial.
It wasn't written in English, you know.

He did not say that - do not misquote him.

I didn't quote him at all.
The first of his reasons for not going to church was that "my opinion may not be welcome". If his opinion was not welcome it would be because he had stated/shared it, other people disagreed and said that they would not accept those views in that church.

(To be continued.)

 

[BNR32FAN]

These verses very much refer to His Second Coming.

Judgement is the last day. John 12:48. When did Jesus consume anyone, He came as a baby. When did Jesus gather all nations, when has anyone seen His Glory? No one can see His Glory and live in our mortal bodies. Jesus never came as a King the first time, He came as a Man. When did Jesus make a New Heaven and a New Earth? v. 22 No this is very much at His Second Coming, when He comes as a King Mat 25:31 and gathers all saints from the four corners of the earth Mat 24:31 and His saints will meet Him in the air 1 Thes 4:17, all sinners who are alive at His Second Coming will be destroyed. Isa 11:4 Jer 25:33 Isa 66:17

Jesus never came as a King? He did when He fulfilled the Prophecy in Zachariah 9:4-9 at His Triumphant Entry.

“Behold, the Lord will dispossess her And cast her wealth into the sea; And she will be consumed with fire. Ashkelon will see it and be afraid. Gaza too will writhe in great pain; Also Ekron, for her expectation has been confounded. Moreover, the king will perish from Gaza, And Ashkelon will not be inhabited. And a mongrel race will dwell in Ashdod, And I will cut off the pride of the Philistines. And I will remove their blood from their mouth And their detestable things from between their teeth. Then they also will be a remnant for our God, And be like a clan in Judah, And Ekron like a Jebusite. But I will camp around My house because of an army, Because of him who passes by and returns; And no oppressor will pass over them anymore, For now I have seen with My eyes. Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion! Shout in triumph, O daughter of Jerusalem! Behold, your king is coming to you; He is just and endowed with salvation, Humble, and mounted on a donkey, Even on a colt, the foal of a donkey.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭9‬:‭4‬-‭9‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

““Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me. He who has found his life will lose it, and he who has lost his life for My sake will find it.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭34‬-‭39‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

““I have come to cast fire upon the earth; and how I wish it were already kindled! But I have a baptism to undergo, and how distressed I am until it is accomplished!”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭12‬:‭49‬-‭50‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

No one can see God’s glory in our fleshly body? We’ve seen His glory in multiple ways, thru His creation, thru His ministry, thru His sacrifice, thru His miracles, and thru His gospel. Before Christ’s ministry and His gospel nobody knew who He was.

You still have the problem with people being judged according to what they eat which directly contradicts Colossians 2:16. You never addressed this contradiction.