My Same State Past Challenge

[HitchSlap]

Try again. The Septuagint was written two centuries BEFORE Christ.

I really don't have the patience to hold your hand and walk you through this. It's obvious you just want to spew random proclamations like 'the bible literal history,' etc., and aren't really making a good faith effort to acknowledge points made.

Last time chief. The Hebrew word for virgin (you know, the kind that hasn't had sex yet) is "betulah," and every single time it's used in Hebrew, it was referring to an actual virgin (you know, the kind that hasn't had sex yet). And every time "almah" is used, it's referring to a young women, not a virgin. The book of Isaiah was written before the Septuagint, which can only mean that when the scribe translated from Hebrew to Greek, he conflated "almah," for "betulah," (most likely), or he intentionally changed it to specifically virgin (parthenos), which incidentally simply means 'young girl,' and not necessarily a virgin.

In any event, it's ironic to think this possible translation error set the course for an entire religion.

 

[Speedwell]

I really don't have the patience to hold your hand and walk you through this. It's obvious you just want to spew random proclamations like 'the bible literal history,' etc., and aren't really making a good faith effort to acknowledge points made.

Last time chief. The Hebrew word for virgin (you know, the kind that hasn't had sex yet) is "betulah," and every single time it's used in Hebrew, it was referring to an actual virgin (you know, the kind that hasn't had sex yet). And every time "almah" is used, it's referring to a young women, not a virgin. The book of Isaiah was written before the Septuagint, which can only mean that when the scribe translated from Hebrew to Greek, he conflated "almah," for "betulah," (most likely), or he intentionally changed it to specifically virgin (parthenos), which incidentally simply means 'young girl,' and not necessarily a virgin.

In any event, it's ironic to think this possible translation error set the course for an entire religion.

And given the young age at which women were married off in those days and the close eye kept on them before that, if the translator was conscious of the distinction he may not of thought it was important.
And is it? Pious Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and use it as a premise in a theological argument that Jesus was not God.

 

[HitchSlap]

And given the young age at which women were married off in those days and the close eye kept on them before that, if the translator was conscious of the distinction he may not of thought it was important.
And is it? Pious Muslims believe in the virgin birth of Jesus and use it as a premise in a theological argument that Jesus was not God.

Excellent point.

 

[Nat Page]

But God who reached down to man by becoming a man and revealing Himself in the Person of Jesus Christ IS the Answer.

It's a good enough answer for you because you want so desperately for it all to be true but in reality it's no answer at all.

 

[Nat Page]

But God who reached down to man by becoming a man and revealing Himself in the Person of Jesus Christ IS the Answer.

That is pure imagination.

 

[AV1611VET]

Answers to what exactly? atheism is simply a lack of belief in Gods, atheism is the default position just as not believing in Bigfoot or fairies is the default position, if someone could come up with some evidence for Bigfoot, fairies or Gods then the whole world would change it's mind.
PS. Religions do not have answers either they just claim they have answers and unfortunately some people believe those claims.

Are you consol?

 

[AV1611VET]

If that works for you, knock yourself out. I grew up a christian and was for most of my life. When i chose to study the NT and christian claims closer, if found it woefully lacking in substance and could no longer reconcile the story, with well evidenced reality.

So you went and threw all this away:

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... because you had no Boolean standards or Prime Directive to handle your cognitive dissonance?

 

[crossnote]

If that works for you, knock yourself out. I grew up a christian and was for most of my life. When i chose to study the NT and christian claims closer, if found it woefully lacking in substance and could no longer reconcile the story, with well evidenced reality.

Apparently you were a cultural Christian but never born again, receiving a changed nature. If you were born again you would never deny the reality of it (it would be like denying that the sun is in the sky). I know many, many who were cultural Christians until the became born again.

 

[bhsmte]

Apparently you were a cultural Christian but never born again, receiving a changed nature. If you were born again you would never deny the reality of it (it would be like denying that the sun is in the sky). I know many, many who were cultural Christians until the became born again.

That was predictable.

 

[bhsmte]

So you went and threw all this away:

Hebrews 6:4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
Hebrews 6:5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

... because you had no Boolean standards or Prime Directive to handle your cognitive dissonance?

LOL

 

[HitchSlap]

Apparently you were a cultural Christian but never born again, receiving a changed nature. If you were born again you would never deny the reality of it (it would be like denying that the sun is in the sky). I know many, many who were cultural Christians until the became born again.

That's exactly what I used to say about apostates!

(kinda' makes you feel better about your beliefs, dudn't it )

 

[crossnote]

I really don't have the patience to hold your hand and walk you through this. It's obvious you just want to spew random proclamations like 'the bible literal history,' etc., and aren't really making a good faith effort to acknowledge points made.

Last time chief. The Hebrew word for virgin (you know, the kind that hasn't had sex yet) is "betulah," and every single time it's used in Hebrew, it was referring to an actual virgin (you know, the kind that hasn't had sex yet). And every time "almah" is used, it's referring to a young women, not a virgin. The book of Isaiah was written before the Septuagint, which can only mean that when the scribe translated from Hebrew to Greek, he conflated "almah," for "betulah," (most likely), or he intentionally changed it to specifically virgin (parthenos), which incidentally simply means 'young girl,' and not necessarily a virgin.

In any event, it's ironic to think this possible translation error set the course for an entire religion.

Betulah can mean either, hence the issue arose. Parthenos can only mean virgin and hey, since you are quoting Isaiah, and you agree he wrote before the Septuagint was written, you might want to ask yourself who is being spoken of here...

Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. (Isa 53:1-5)

 

[HitchSlap]

That was predictable.

Right!?

 

[HitchSlap]

Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. (Isa 53:1-5)

LOL... exactly! Who???

 

[crossnote]

That's exactly what I used to say about apostates!

(kinda' makes you feel better about your beliefs, dudn't it )

No, I know WHO I have believed in the past 43 years (even in the face of my atheistic dad).

 

[bhsmte]

No, I know WHO I have believed in the past 43 years (even in the face of my atheistic dad).

Is there any chance your personal belief is wrong, or is this impossible?

 

[crossnote]

LOL... exactly! Who???

The same as here, Jesus Christ...

He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
(1Pe 2:24)

 

[crossnote]

Is there any chance your personal belief is wrong, or is this impossible?

Nope.

 

[bhsmte]

Nope.

Exactly what i thought. Thanks.

 

[Nat Page]

Are you consol?

No are you consol?