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[British Bulldog]

Wrong. Why do you creationists post ridiculous arguments like this which clearly show that you do not understand evolution and then think that you have made some damaging point. The only thing you are damaging is your own credibility.

Because if they understood what they were talking about they wouldn't be creationists. As they don't understand what they are talking about they feel free to write any old nonsense, high fiving each other for being so clever as they do so. Unfortunately, as they don't understand what they are writing, they also don't realise what complete garbage it is and how silly it makes them look to people who do understand it.

 

[mzungu]

Because if they understood what they were talking about they wouldn't be creationists. As they don't understand what they are talking about they feel free to write any old nonsense, high fiving each other for being so clever as they do so. Unfortunately, as they don't understand what they are writing, they also don't realise what complete garbage it is and how silly it makes them look to people who do understand it.

Hear Hear! Spoken like a gentleman and a scholar!

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationism = How life came from non life (dust) + God's breath (also non life as God is not physical).

Numbers 14:20 And the LORD said, I have pardoned according to thy word:
Numbers 14:21 But as truly as I live, all the earth shall be filled with the glory of the LORD.

 

[Loudmouth]

We respect the earth as a reflection of it's Creator.

Then why make statements like this?

"but remember evolution makes a monkey out of you. "--Hog Red

 

[Loudmouth]

What is used as an insult? evolution?

No. The words "worship", "faith", and "religion" are used as insults by creationists.

Evolution is blasphemy to God -- insulting to us.

So are worship, faith, and religion it would appear.

I agree.

Evolution makes monkeys out of us.

What are you trying to say with this phrase?

You mean we should burn candles inside a pentagram and chant we came from apes? would it then be considered blasphemous?

The RCC is pretty big on blasphemies, and they don't consider our ape ancestry to be blasphemous. Neither do millions of theistic evolutionists. It clearly is not blasphemous, not any more than heliocentrism. Really, what is it that really bothers you about being related to the rest of God's Creation?

The Bible says God's Word is 'sharper than a twoedged sword.'

So you are using your own loathing of your religious beliefs to attack others?

If It didn't affect you guys in an adverse manner, It wouldn't be what It claims to be, would It?

It is a lie, first and foremost. Secondly, the knee jerk reaction from creationists is to use faith and religion as derisions. Why is that? You would think that something you supposedly hold so dear would not be used to insult others, right?

Faith is something we all have.

To say certain people are exempt from faith would be 'thinking little' of it, in my opinion.

Faith is a word that creationists use as an insult. That is how little they think of it.

Because in reality, there was no science present during the creation week; therefore it is by faith we believe what we believe.

And since scientists weren't there to observe their version of what happened (Big Bang, Big Bounce), it is most definitely faith that they are going on as well.

We have evidence from that time period. Therefore, no faith is needed. This has been explained to you several times, and yet you want to demote science into faith. Why is that? Why is it so important to you to have science turned into a faith system?

 

[Hog Red]

Then why make statements like this?

"but remember evolution makes a monkey out of you. "--Hog Red

just having a little fun, just because we're Christian doesn't mean we're a bunch of killjoys. we both share something and it's called Faith. you have faith in science and my faith is in the Lord, God of this Universe. i dont lose any sleep at night trying to figure this stuff out. of course if i'm wrong, i will eventually either turn into wormfood or perhaps come back as a cow when i die. if your wrong?

 

[Loudmouth]

just having a little fun,

Why is it fun to call people monkeys?

you have faith in science . . .

Actually, I don't. I require evidence.

Why do you have the need to think that others have faith in science?

i dont lose any sleep at night trying to figure this stuff out.

Scientists do. They are a very curious bunch. They actually want to figure out how the universe works.

of course if i'm wrong, i will eventually either turn into wormfood or perhaps come back as a cow when i die. if your wrong?

Pascal's Wager for the loss.

 

[dad]

Why is it that creationists can not stand the idea of being related to the rest of life on Earth? Do they detest the very Creation they boast so loudly about?

Our relationship was never one of the abject degradation, and non created animalistic sort that evos propound. We were a creation in the image of God, and above all other creatures, which, in large measure were made for us also!

 

[Hog Red]

Why is it fun to call people monkeys?



Actually, I don't. I require evidence.

Why do you have the need to think that others have faith in science?



Scientists do. They are a very curious bunch. They actually want to figure out how the universe works.



Pascal's Wager for the loss.

you need a lot more faith to believe in a theory of evolution. you can never explain or prove the origination of life no matter how hard you want to believe it. plus i dont need to prove there is a God, the Heaven's declare it. hard to believe the order that exists in the universe is totally random, if that's not faith i dont know what is, the odds are better that my [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]zu is walking on my keyboard right now producing somewhat coherent sentences by accident(of course that could explain my poor writing skills).

 

[dad]

you need a lot more faith to believe in a theory of evolution. you can never explain or prove the origination of life no matter how hard you want to believe it. plus i dont need to prove there is a God, the Heaven's declare it. hard to believe the order that exists in the universe is totally random, if that's not faith i dont know what is, the odds are better that my [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]zu is walking on my keyboard right now producing somewhat coherent sentences by accident(of course that could explain my poor writing skills).

I guess evos need to get their [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]zu in order

 

[Belk]

you need a lot more faith to believe in a theory of evolution. you can never explain or prove the origination of life no matter how hard you want to believe it. plus i dont need to prove there is a God, the Heaven's declare it. hard to believe the order that exists in the universe is totally random, if that's not faith i dont know what is, the odds are better that my [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]zu is walking on my keyboard right now producing somewhat coherent sentences by accident(of course that could explain my poor writing skills).

So, got anything other then personal incredulity and bad statistics?

 

[Jazer]

So, got anything other then personal incredulity and bad statistics?

Do you got anything other than?

 

[Loudmouth]

you need a lot more faith to believe in a theory of evolution.

Since I don't believe in the theory of evolution, then no faith is needed. However, I do accept it as the best current theory for the biodiversity we see today. This is because I have no faith in the theory. Instead, I required that it is supported by evidence, and evidence there is.

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: the Scientific Case for Common Descent

When you have mountains of evidence no faith is needed.

you can never explain or prove the origination of life no matter how hard you want to believe it.

Doesn't stop scientists from finding evidence for how life changed once it did exist. I have no idea how life got started. What we do know is that the first life was unicellular. From there, life diversified in a pattern consistent with the theory of evolution. Also, the record of ancestry recorded in the genomes of living species also contains this evidence.

plus i dont need to prove there is a God, the Heaven's declare it.

Evidence please.

hard to believe the order that exists in the universe is totally random, if that's not faith i dont know what is,

What you are describing is incredulity, and it is illogial to base arguments on it. Reality is not restricted by what you will or will not accept. You cand say that it is hard to believe that the Moon is made of rock instead of cheese, but that doesn't make the Moon turn into cheese.

the odds are better that my [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]zu is walking on my keyboard right now producing somewhat coherent sentences by accident(of course that could explain my poor writing skills).

Then lets see those probability calculations.

Also, you never answered my question. Why is it so important to you that people have faith in science when science is the opposite of faith?

 

[SkyWriting]

Abiogenesis = How life began from non life.
Evolution = How life evolved once it began.
Creationism = How life came from non life (dust) + God's breath (also non life as God is not physical).
-mzungu


Is that the scientific definition for the cut off point & beginning of evolution? "Once" ?
We know that "evolution" is nothing more than documenting change.
So we must assume that things didn't change....until they started changing.
But by the time they had not changed, they began evolving....because thats when evolution starts to begin...at the end of things not changing.
So the beginning of life is when things stop not changing and begin evolving.

 

[SkyWriting]

Then why make statements like this?

"but remember evolution makes a monkey out of you. "--Hog Red

Its showing the falsehood from an old argument that says that things that look alike must be related to each other. There are times when it's true,

and times it's not.

 

[SkyWriting]

What we do know is that the first life was unicellular.

Science is confused about the weather tomorrow afternoon. We don't know of OJ Simpson hurt anybody. And unicellular life is just one possibility. Cells don't preserve well.

 

[Geologist]

Science is confused about the weather tomorrow afternoon.

Science is not at all confused about the weather tomorrow afternoon. Science understands that weather is a chaotic system and that predictions become more accurate the closer you get to the actual event. Nevertheless, if you compare 5-day forecasts from the 1960's versus those of the 2000's, you'll see that science has made great progress in short term weather prediction. If the weather forecast for tomorrow calls for an 80% chance of rain, does the wise person pack an umbrella?

We don't know of OJ Simpson hurt anybody.

We don't ask for 100% assurance, we require reasonable doubt and our legal system (unlike many others) makes the assumption of innocence. Our system is not perfect, but I'd rather go to trial here than Iran. Forensic science is about probability based on evidence. The job of the defense attorney is to show the jury reasonable doubt. Sometimes the forensics are strong and sometimes the defense is able to cast enough doubt. Would you prefer that all legal cases be based on 100% certainty? If so, we would not have prison overcrowding.

And unicellular life is just one possibility. Cells don't preserve well.

Meaningless drivel. Unicellular life exists. Cells don't preserve well, but they do preserve. Not sure exactly where this is leading, but I'll attribute it to a brain fart for now until you clarify where you are headed with this argument.

 

[Jazer]

Nevertheless, if you compare 5-day forecasts from the 1960's versus those of the 2000's, you'll see that science has made great progress in short term weather prediction.

In the 60's all the had was radar and a telephone to call their neighbor city to see what weather they were having. Today we have weather satellite maps.

 

[Tiberius]

Because we aren't.

Then why do we have DNA, like all other life on Earth?

Because it is blasphemy.

Adam was not a mutant copy-error, made in the image and likeness of God.

I've asked this before, and I'll ask it again:

I can name Adam's father by name; can you name his mother?

I can name Mister Spock's father.

Do you think that being able to name the fictitious relations of a fictitious man somehow makes him more real?

Because if they understood what they were talking about they wouldn't be creationists. As they don't understand what they are talking about they feel free to write any old nonsense, high fiving each other for being so clever as they do so. Unfortunately, as they don't understand what they are writing, they also don't realise what complete garbage it is and how silly it makes them look to people who do understand it.

Couldn't agree more.

just having a little fun, just because we're Christian doesn't mean we're a bunch of killjoys. we both share something and it's called Faith. you have faith in science and my faith is in the Lord, God of this Universe. i dont lose any sleep at night trying to figure this stuff out. of course if i'm wrong, i will eventually either turn into wormfood or perhaps come back as a cow when i die. if your wrong?

If we're wrong?

Well, we're either going to face a petty small minded God who doesn't care about anything but whether we worshipped him enough, and he'll send us to Hell for not jumping through his hoops.

Or we're going to find a God who is going to be pleased that we used these really great things that he gave us, called LOGIC and REASON.

Incidentally, your "having fun" makes you look like a bit of a jerk.

Our relationship was never one of the abject degradation, and non created animalistic sort that evos propound. We were a creation in the image of God, and above all other creatures, which, in large measure were made for us also!

Which is why we're running the world into the ground?

you need a lot more faith to believe in a theory of evolution.

We need faith to accept that life forms have changed over time? Why would we need faith when there is a ton of evidence all around us?

you can never explain or prove the origination of life no matter how hard you want to believe it.

That's abiogenesis, not evolution. Another creationist who doesn't understand what he is complaining about...

plus i dont need to prove there is a God, the Heaven's declare it.

And the existence of gravity declares the existence of the magical gravity fairies.

hard to believe the order that exists in the universe is totally random, if that's not faith i dont know what is, the odds are better that my [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]zu is walking on my keyboard right now producing somewhat coherent sentences by accident(of course that could explain my poor writing skills).

Hog Red uses argument from incredulity! It's not very effective.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then why do we have DNA, like all other life on Earth?

Because we have a common creator -- as opposed to a common ancestor.