My Raisin Bread Challenge

[VirOptimus]

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[Kylie]

1. For the sake of my point, we'll pretend I'll do it tomorrow.

2. I have no idea. (it is nice and warm and fresher than any you've ever analyzed.)

How old do the raisins appear to be? It takes three days to turn grapes into raisins. So you've got something which appears to be at least three days old and yet it isn't. Some would say that makes you deceptive.

 

[AV1611VET]

Some would say that makes you deceptive.

They would be wrong, wouldn't they?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

They would be wrong, wouldn't they?

No, they'd be right.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, they'd be right.

LOL -- keep your day job.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

LOL -- keep your day job.

How would they be wrong if you claimed you created from nothing something that requires three days to make (raisins) and something that takes 45 minutes to cook (the whole of the raisin bread) with zero proof that you didn't cook it beforehand?
If you don't have proof, you would be deceptive. Like you claim that God is.

 

[AV1611VET]

How would they be wrong if you claimed you created from nothing something that requires three days to make (raisins) and something that takes 45 minutes to cook (the whole of the raisin bread) with zero proof that you didn't cook it beforehand?

Keep your day job.

 

[VirOptimus]

Keep your day job.

Its your job spouting nonsense?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Keep your day job.

You didn't answer my question: How would they be wrong if you claimed you created from nothing something that requires three days to make (raisins) and something that takes 45 minutes to cook (the whole of the raisin bread) with zero proof that you didn't cook it beforehand?

 

[AV1611VET]

You didn't answer my question:

Respect the OP please.

It's more than a claim.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Respect the OP please.

It's more than a claim.

It is a claim. The whole idea you put forward with embedded age and creation ex nihilio is deceptive, nothing more.

 

[VirOptimus]

Respect the OP please.

It's more than a claim.

The op is a made up example containing magic, why should we care?

 

[AV1611VET]

It is a claim. The whole idea you put forward with embedded age and creation ex nihilio is deceptive, nothing more.

Just as "deceptive" as raisin bread … right?

 

[AV1611VET]

The op is a made up example containing magic, why should we care?

So you can show yourselves smart enough to handle a theological hypothetical?

Of course, if you're not interested, why not just keep quiet?

As the saying goes:

I'd rather keep my mouth shut and let people think I'm ignorant than open it and remove all doubt.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Just as "deceptive" as raisin bread … right?

As deceptive as your ex nihilio raisin bread from your OP.

 

[AV1611VET]

As deceptive as your ex nihilio raisin bread from your OP.

As I asked in my OP: "if so, how?"

(That's the hard part, isn't it? )

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

As I asked in my OP: "if so, how?"

(That's the hard part, isn't it? )

Because there's no proof or evidence that it was created ex nihilio. You just saying you created it ex nihilio is not evidence.

 

[AV1611VET]

Because there's no proof or evidence that it was created ex nihilio. You just saying you created it ex nihilio is not evidence.

Then where did it come from?

Two seconds ago there's no raisin bread.

Two seconds later there's raisin bread, and the amount of mass/energy in the universe has been raised accordingly.

How did that happen by deception?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Then where did it come from?

Two seconds ago there's no raisin bread.

Two seconds later there's raisin bread, and the amount of mass/energy in the universe has been raised accordingly.

How did that happen by deception?

How do I know you didn't pull it out of your jacket? How do I know you didn't blindfold me before you had the bread in your hands? How I do know you don't know sleight of hand?

 

[AV1611VET]

How do I know you didn't pull it out of your jacket? How do I know you didn't blindfold me before you had the bread in your hands? How I do know you don't know sleight of hand?

LOL

If you're this desperate, this challenge isn't for you.