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Ok i just find it interesting thats all, I know one christian couple she did a phd, and she doesnt or cant have children as well. He doesnt have a phd though, plus he already had a daughter from a previous relationship. Does your husband have a phd?

I can understand why a woman would be reticent about having a child and going through childbirth but what about your husband since he doesnt have to physically go through it, does he truly not want to ever have children. Are his career goals the same as yours?

If you DID fall pregant, for example if by some miracle you did despite the pill. Condom etc would you be OK with that????
 
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Ok what is better diaphragm and spermicide. Or pills and condoms.

Or can you do diaphragm and condoms and pills and spermacide.

Or you both get fixed.
When used correctly, the pill has about 92% effectiveness. Spermicide has 72% effectiveness, A diaphragm has about 84% effectiveness. A male condom about 85%...these are all when used alone. You can do a combination of things if you want.


Lol...i wouldn't call it getting fixed =)... We have discussed me having surgery. We have not made a decision yet, mostly due to it being surgery and possible complications. But it is very effective!

If God decided that we were to have a child, and it happens during my program, we will of course have it. Abortion is not an option. It would complicate me graduating, and vastly extend the amount of time I spend in school, requiring more time for my husband to spend at home to help out. But we would make it work.


Sooooo....what exactly are you referring to here? Can I ask what age range you are in? I dont think I saw that before. Also are you planning on marriage soon?

I do hear about children saying well I was an accident. Dad forgot his condom. Mum was drunk and forgot her pill. I wasnt meant to be born!


Women can have that surgery at any point. With anything, not natural...surgery, drugs, implants...there are risks. The pill does not really effect you in the way you may think. I would encourage you to see a doctor for clarification.

Again, the purpose of a marriage is not to have children. Because you are married you can have wild and crazy sex whenever you want. Ever read Song of Solomon? Talk about wild! 1 Thessalonians is talking about outside the marriage bed. If you are married, you had better want your spouse in a sexual way. This type of sex, within marriage, is not just about gratification. It is much much more than that. So yes, in a sense it is different.

Another question, sorry but this can be quite personal, were you both virgins when you married?

If you werent did this cause any problems later on?

I was not, he was. No problems.
 
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My husband has a masters, it was a terminal degree for his career path. Neither of us want kids. Our reasons have nothing to do with childbirth pains. I have witnessed the miracle of childbirth...it does look painful but temporarily. They seem to forget as soon as the child is born. But we both are ambitious in our careers, and both have similar career goals. This was a mutual decision. We also said that if either one of us wanted a child at any point, we would discuss it. If we both wanted one, regularly, for more than 3 months consecutively than we would discuss it more heavily. This has not happened.

I would initially be upset. It would not be in my plans. But, Gods plans are greater and beyond my understanding. So I would get over myself and we would figure it out.
 
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I do find that weird how many couples are so far away from their parents and in laws as if extended family dont matter. Maybe its an american thing the tyranny of distance?
I am sure it is very different in your country. But we love our family. We talk to them quite often and visit when we can. But the US is a very large country! And there are a multitude of job opportunities across the country. My parents and I live in the same state...but it is a 6 hour difference. We, like many others, move to where the job is. We, like other couples, want to grow as a couple...leave the family and become one. Some people need to move far away from an invading family to do that, some move for opportunities. We move, and will continue to move, to where ever we need to in order to reach our goals. Our families want us to live and flourish as a couple...and so we do. It is just the culture of the US.
 
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No am not planning a marriage! I am just asking questions for edification. Without knowledge you perish so this is just to be forearmed really.

My situation is so different from everyone elses. My first relationship is with Jesus. Im in my thirties.

But i see a lot of older married couples in church just wondering HOW it all works for them since I never grew up in church, and my parents arent christian. There arent that many young marrieds these days. I was in a group with a few younger marrieds but that group disbanded. I didnt really get to ask them stuff and most were extremely busy with the business of having children or trying to have children. It doesnt occur to many of them to NOT have children.

Although actually one couple have just moved to this country so are just getting established first so I understand why they not having children straight away..but i think in her case she would like to have children and her husband not really. She does work in childcare though.
 
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Yea job oppurtunities, well in nz the jobs arent really here lol thats why so many go to australia.
 
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Oh thats ok just wondering, what your phds are in. I know its ALOT of study and a huge comittment.

I was just thinking of the highschool friend with the parents who were both doctors (physicians) they had three children, but I knew the daughter as my friend was kinda messed up becuase of how career focussed they were. But she was very bright like they were, super intelligent. She had a two brothers and was the only girl...and the youngest she said was 'an accident' he came ten years after she was born, she ended up being the one who most looked after him instead of her mother. But they werent christians.
 
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Yea job oppurtunities, well in nz the jobs arent really here lol thats why so many go to australia.

Which would be a distance from that family support..

My husband works in hospital admin, I am working on my degree in therapy. I know that doctors are career focused. It is a very stressful and time consuming job. Many couples, with one or both being a doctor or in med school, have issues and some dont make it.
 
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Hmm well I dont think the song of solomon was that wild..i think its more tender and loving, personally.


When you say wild I dont have a very good picture in my head lol. Although they do love each other outside in nature so To speak. But they are kind of discreet about it.

Its not like in the movies Or tv i think. Where they go at it like dogs.
 
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My brother is a doctor..he has zero time for relationship and if he married it would have to be..to another doctor or someone who didnt mind moving around every year. Or if he did settle down someone who doesnt mind that his patients and the hospital roster comes first.
 
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You should do a study on it. It is quite erotic at points.
 
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Why did you make that decsion for yourselves, what did God tell you? For you. I already know this but for you, why did you go that route?
We prayed. We talked with our doctor and our congregational leaders. Diaphragm seemed to be the best option, so we prayed and asked for additional guidance and we were both impressed during prayer that it was an acceptable option.
 
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You should do a study on it. It is quite erotic at points.
Yeah - it would make most pastors blush a hundred shades of red if they said what it ACTUALLY meant in a sexual sense.

Seduction
Very erotic depictions of body parts
Female arousal at various non-sexual situations
Oral sex
Manual sex
Masturbation
Pain from unreleased sexual tension
 
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Yep! Which is probably why most dont cover it
 
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Yep! Which is probably why most dont cover it
LOL!!!

Chickens!!

ETA: Can you imagine a male pastor trying to explain "Bether?" lol!!!
 
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haha! That would fill up the seats!
Indeed. Are you aware of "bether?" SoS 2.17

NASB Until the cool of the day when the shadows flee away, Turn, my beloved, and be like a gazelle Or a young stag on the mountains of Bether.

ESV Until the day breathes and the shadows flee, turn, my beloved, be like a gazelle or a young stag on cleft mountains.

NIRV Until the day begins and the shadows fade away, turn to me, my love. Be like an antelope or like a young deer on the rocky hills.
 
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No, I have not done this study in a few years.
 
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