I also sincerely believe the music has a lot to do with it. Music is very spiritual. It stirs people's emotions.
It's Called a Revival Movement. They focus on that type of stuff. Not all Paths do this, But all paths claim the Holy Spirit.
I am sure it is part purely emotional, but it is also part spiritual.
I can go along with that, but what you seemed to be saying is that the Holy Spirit was in them, but I think that may be something different again.
I can not convert you, only when God touches you, and you receive the Holy Spirit, are you converted, I can do neither. The Holy Spirit in ME can only strengthen ME, it can not just go and posses other people, But how strong my spirit is depends on what I feed my spirit.
I would not completely rule the possibility out. But I am more inclined to think it was me, wanting to make sure I gave the faith I dedicated myself to for 30 years, a good chance to make a come back as it were. I was in my confort zone as a christian.
Well then, let us deal with this.
True. But I think Christians get it wrong way too often though. It's a dangerous path to take when you corect and rebuke others. (all though I know that someone needs to do this sort of stuff sometimes and church leaders probably should) The thing is you might not do something you accuse others of, but you may do something else that is just as bad or worse. I don't believe those people who stoned the adulterer were necessarily guilty of adultry themselves. But Jesus obviously felt they had sin in their lives which made them no better than the adulterer.
But they were sinners. They were going to stone her for breaking Leviticus Law, and this is the point Jesus was making. You condemn her for something you do! Then you Condemn yourself! All of them were law breakers, that was the issue.
But my original argument was that I believed God expects us to forgive others unconditionally. Sure, it may be ok to correct or rebuke, but we are still expected to forgive right? We can't refuse to forgive no matter what people do to us.
Correcting and rebuking are done out of Love, to stop your bother from continuing on in their false understating, this is was a positive thing, not an attack as it might be viewed today.
As for forgiveness, I am at a loss for this one. I mean, sure, we are supposed to forgive, but, only to those that sincerely ask for it and realize the errors of their ways.
As in, I have not forgiven my brother for things he has done to me, when we were younger, but at the same time, my brother has not acknowledged what he did to me was wrong.
Since God requires that we seek his forgiveness and acknowledge our sinful states and show reverence, respect, and appreciation for the benevolent sacrifice of his son so that we can be forgiven, this is not unconditional. There are conditions that must be met to receive Gods forgiveness, (there is other stuff).
So I am at a loss where we are supposed to forgive each other unconditionally.
Ok, I agree that God may not have been angry, but more heart broken.
Amazing what we learn from each other at times.
Still, let's say I created a robot, knowing that it might turn on me one day, because I programmed it with a free will. Then one day it really does turn on me. But instead of just dismantling it, I decide I am going to make it suffer greatly first (maybe even suffer eternally - don't ask me how you'd make a robot suffer, but anyway...). It would be totally unjust of me to do that. Sure, I may be really heartbroken the robot behaved that way, but I loved that robot greatly and really it just did what was natural to it.
But let's take that scenario a step further. Let's say that I knew without a doubt the robot would turn on me one day (because I can see future events). That makes it even more questionable that I would want to punish that robot later.
Your issue is with eternal Hell, Then I assume? I would enjoy this banter, but please, no more robot analogies, I have heard too many of them, and they all, umm, not to be rude, but miss the mark. It might be whole organic to inorganic thing, lack of a spiritual side,. Or some such, but they just seem to miss a bit.
Now I know you believe that the punishment will fit the crime. I can go along with that.
No, Do not believe the punishment fits the crime, I believe that God is Just. The two have nothing in common.
But the whole logic behind God wanting to punish sins is flawed to me. It doesn't make sence. yeah, I know God's ways are not man's ways, but I'm human, so I can't think like God. God made me to think as a human would, not as God would.
I would like to ask you a question about this.
What do you mean by God wanting to punish sin I would love for you to explain this to me, and what you mean by this.
Now I can go along with what Calminian says about sin coming in and messing things up after Adam and Eve. But the fact is we are still born with a sinful nature. We had no choice in that and we are going to be battling with that sinful nature all our lives. That's not our parents fault and it's not ours.
Well Yes and No. Since we are born into sin, our parents before us sinning makes our environment more sin orientated. Our Parents and what they have done to this world, is just as important as what we do this world. Sodom and Gomorrah teach that Sin does not die with us, it is not contained within us, that the very earth can become poisoned by our sin. So it is not a far leap that our posterity will become influenced by our sins and those sins before us.
We are however personally responsible for each and every sin we commit.
Have I provided you answers to your questions?
God Bless
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