My Planet Challenge

[AV1611VET]

The Bible says ...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

According to the current definition of "planet," is the earth in Genesis 1:1 a planet?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

The Bible says ...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

According to the current definition of "planet," is the earth in Genesis 1:1 a planet?

No, because the people who wrote genesis believed in a flat earth, so any story they created about the earth would refer to a flat earth.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, because the people who wrote genesis believed in a flat earth, so any story they created about the earth would refer to a flat earth.

Show me flat earth in Genesis 1:1, or please answer my challenge as I wrote it.

Thank you.

And off the record, the earth could be a triangle, and my challenge would still stand.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, the 'earth' referred to in the Genesis story is not a planet because the story tellers had no idea what a planet was,
[although Greek it was not really known as such until the 19th century] even when they spoke of 'heaven' they had no idea what 'heaven' was because they did not understand what it was they were looking at when they looked up, they had all kinds of fanciful ideas about the sky but it would be many many years before they had even the vaguest idea, they even lined up the stars to represent actual items they knew about like the big and the little dog and the bull.
They called the sky 'heaven' because they thought that's where their God lived, God was up and the Devil was down.

I'm not addressing them though, am I?

I'm addressing 21st century people on the Internet.

Feel free to answer it or ignore it.

 

[AV1611VET]

Four corners of the earth.

What's wrong?

Have you scientific methods suddenly lost your clipboards or something?

Even ThinkForYourself can't think for him/herself on this one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes modern day people who believe in Genesis might if asked refer to the earth in Genesis 1:1 as a planet.

According to the current definition?

 

[ThinkForYourself]

Show me flat earth in Genesis 1:1, or please answer my challenge as I wrote it.

Thank you.

And off the record, the earth could be a triangle, and my challenge would still stand.

From Wikipedia, you can check the references if you want: "The Jewish conception of a flat earth is found in biblical and post-biblical times.[8][9][10]"

Isaih 40:22: "It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"

The current definition of a planet is that it is roughly spherical, so the answer to your challenge is "No"

 

[Aman777]

The Bible says ...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

According to the current definition of "planet," is the earth in Genesis 1:1 a planet?

Dear AV, No. Here is my paraphrase:

In the beginning of the perfect physical heaven God the Trinity brought into physical form the air and the ground.

This was BEFORE the first Day which began when YHWH/Jesus, the Light, comes into the physical world. Jesus will use the elements created before the first day to make everything which exists in physical form. Notice also that Gen 1:1-2 does NOT say that water was "created" since water was in the air or heaven, because water is composed of oxygen and hyrdrogen. It's proof of God since NO man of the time could have possibly known this and got it scientifically correct. Only God knew this at the time.

Another reason for this is that Genesis 1:9-10 clearly identifies the formation of the Earth of Adam. Gen 1:9¶ And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. Gen 1:10 And God called the dry land Earth;

I did not add anything to the above. The capital E in Earth is in the KJV. IOW, God is identifying Adam's Earth. Therefore, Gen 1:1 is not identifying the first Earth being made. Gen 1:2 also shows why.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void;

The Earth (Heb-ground) was without form and empty. Reminds me of dust which has not yet been put together with water and air, which is contained in everything that exists physically. As of this time, before the 1st Day, there was NO Potter to mold the clay, and make a perfect physical heaven. This was BEFORE Jesus came forth from the Father into the physical world. Conclusion: Jesus is the Light of the first Day. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[AV1611VET]

The current definition of a planet is that it is roughly spherical, so the answer to your challenge is "No"

Again ... this isn't about what the Jewish people thought.

I'm asking if the earth is a planet in Genesis 1:1, according to the current definition of a planet.

In my opinion, there's only one answer: NO.

Since the current definition requires a planet to have a sun.

 

[EternalDragon]

Again ... this isn't about what the Jewish people thought.

I'm asking if the earth is a planet in Genesis 1:1, according to the current definition of a planet.

In my opinion, there's only one answer: NO.

Since the current definition requires a planet to have a sun.

I would say it was a floating mass of unformed water, of unknown size, at Genesis 1:1.

As indicated in the verse right after. It could have been frozen water for that matter as
it was still a dark universe then.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would say it was a floating mass of unformed water, of unknown size, at Genesis 1:1.

Yes, indeed.

There should still be large quantities of evidence of the earth being created as described in the bible.

Such as?

How about evidence that everything was created perfect and then started to decline because of some cataclysmic event.

I've got a better idea, Belk.

Let's stick to your example -- the earth.

After all, if you're not going to accept the earth, you're not going to accept anything else -- right?

Occam's Razor and all?

Anyway...

Genesis 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Okay, here's the earth now in existence for the first time.

It got here via creatio ex nihilo; and Day One of the Creation Week has just ended.

What evidence is accompanying it at this point; as Day Two is about to begin?

Terra Aqua
The earth in early Genesis

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[TLK Valentine]

Again ... this isn't about what the Jewish people thought.

Indeed -- all they did was write Genesis; who cares what they thought?

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed -- all they did was write Genesis; who cares what they thought?

Actually, no, they didn't.

 

[Lost Angel]

Actually, no, they didn't.

Yeah, some think that Adam wrote it in English. Lol

 

[AV1611VET]

Yeah, some think that Adam wrote it in English. Lol

Others think Moses wrote it in Hebrew. LOL

 

[Belk]

Yes, indeed.


I've got a better idea, Belk.

Let's stick to your example -- the earth.

After all, if you're not going to accept the earth, you're not going to accept anything else -- right?

Occam's Razor and all?

Anyway...

Genesis 1:1 ¶ In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Okay, here's the earth now in existence for the first time.

It got here via creatio ex nihilo; and Day One of the Creation Week has just ended.

What evidence is accompanying it at this point; as Day Two is about to begin?

Terra Aqua
The earth in early Genesis

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That's a good question. would you say the normal laws of physics are in effect yet or has God not yet implemented those?

 

[AV1611VET]

That's a good question. would you say the normal laws of physics are in effect yet or has God not yet implemented those?

I don't think the normal laws of physics are yet implemented at this point.

Although I'm showing a round ball (thus gravity), the Bible portrays the earth as being "formless."

In my opinion, it is more plano-convex; since it is in the hollow of God's hand.

I used a round ball (actually it's a marble) for emphasis.

That is, to show there was no land present as yet.

 

[Belk]

I don't think the normal laws of physics are yet implemented at this point.

Although I'm showing a round ball (thus gravity), the Bible portrays the earth as being "formless."

In my opinion, it is more plano-convex; since it is in the hollow of God's hand.

I used a round ball (actually it's a marble) for emphasis.

That is, to show there was no land present as yet.

OK. So if this is the case we should see a geological history going back approximately 6000 years and then coming to a sudden stop when the laws of physics were not in effect, yes?

 

[essentialsaltes]

The Bible says ...

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

According to the current definition of "planet," is the earth in Genesis 1:1 a planet?

So we have two things:

A) The Earth
B) "The Earth in Genesis 1:1"

The Earth is a planet.

If "The Earth in Genesis 1:1" is The Earth, then it is also a planet.

If "The Earth in Genesis 1:1" is something else, then I don't know.

 

[AV1611VET]

OK. So if this is the case we should see a geological history going back approximately 6000 years and then coming to a sudden stop when the laws of physics were not in effect, yes?

I'm not qualified to tell you what you should see outside of the Bible.

But I'll take a stab at it and say: YES, you should see a geological history going back approximately 6000 years and then coming to a sudden stop.

If you see anything past 6000 years, it's because you've "stretched the timeline" beyond belief.