My Pi Challenge

[Hespera]

There was this hillybilly let his kid go to school.

Kid comes home, father says,

"Son what did you learn in school?"

Kid says "Pa, they told me that Pi r square."

Father says,

"Well you aint goin' back to that place, any fool knows cornbread are square, its pie are round."

 

[Habakk]

assuming that all measurements are 'about' this much or that much, then we are assuming that it is about, or approximately correct.

That is unacceptable to ye literalist, I believe.

in any case "brim'

brim [brɪm]n1. the upper rim of a vessel the brim of a cup
2. a projecting rim or edge the brim of a hat
3. the brink or edge of something

in no way implies or states inside diameter.

The likely theory is that the Hebrews learnt and follower Phoenician design techniques. The bowl would have been made from a “former” and it was common practice to give dimensions in this fashion bearing in mind the first job was to construct the “former template.” Dimensions of cubit and handbreadth are converted to inches to facilitate the math. The assumptions are sound if you care to research them.


1 Kings 7:23-26
23And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about. 24And under the brim of it round about there were knops compassing it, ten in a cubit, compassing the sea round about: the knops were cast in two rows, when it was cast. 25It stood upon twelve oxen, three looking toward the north, and three looking toward the west, and three looking toward the south, and three looking toward the east: and the sea was set above upon them, and all their hinder parts were inward. 26And it was an hand breadth thick, and the brim thereof was wrought like the brim of a cup, with flowers of lilies: it contained two thousand baths.

 

[Hespera]

The likely theory is that the Hebrews learnt and follower Phoenician design techniques. The bowl would have been made from a “former” and it was common practice to give dimensions in this fashion bearing in mind the first job was to construct the “former template.” Dimensions of cubit and handbreadth are converted to inches to facilitate the math. The assumptions are sound if you care to research them.

which assumptions?

 

[Habakk]

which assumptions?

Assumptions of cubits and handbredth to inches and the practices of Hebrews using common Phoenician design techniques to construct the bowl.

Anyway it shows pi would not likely be 3 but more like 3.14

 

[Hespera]

Assumptions of cubits and handbredth to inches and the practices of Hebrews using common Phoenician design techniques to construct the bowl.

Anyway it shows pi would not likely be 3 but more like 3.14

im sure there is a way to figure it out / guess, so that the numbers come out better. the thing may never have even existed in the first place of course.

There isnt a way that the numbers could be anything but approximate tho.

a better approxiamation or a less good one, still approximate.

 

[Tiberius]

Okay, so since the two ellipses have the same diameter (five inches), please use the value of pi to determine the circumference of the two ellipses. Please show your working.

Yo, AV, still working on this?

 

[Habakk]

im sure there is a way to figure it out / guess, so that the numbers come out better. the thing may never have even existed in the first place of course.

There isnt a way that the numbers could be anything but approximate tho.

a better approxiamation or a less good one, still approximate.

pi is always approximate unless you calculatie it to a zillion decimal places. The point is if you do take the time to look into things and do a little research the Bible is found to be amazingly accurate.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yo, AV, still working on this?

Here is my answer.

 

[pgp_protector]

There was this hillybilly let his kid go to school.

Kid comes home, father says,

"Son what did you learn in school?"

Kid says "Pa, they told me that Pi r square."

Father says,

"Well you aint goin' back to that place, any fool knows cornbread are square, its pie are round."

 

[Hespera]

pi is always approximate unless you calculatie it to a zillion decimal places. The point is if you do take the time to look into things and do a little research the Bible is found to be amazingly accurate.

perhaps that is so, depending on if the "look into" is sound.

of course a measurement like "ten cubits" is not up to moderns standards in itself.

we have different points probably. some think the bible is literally perfect, and some of us find things like "10 cubits" and, 'noahs ark" and feel those are examples of how it is not.

 

[razeontherock]

It is not reasonable to think their measurement of 10 cubits was imprecise or unrepeatable. It was simply a different unit of measure than we use today.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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[FreeinChrist]

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[FrenchyBearpaw]

pi is always approximate unless you calculatie it to a zillion decimal places. The point is if you do take the time to look into things and do a little research the Bible is found to be amazingly accurate.

I have taken the time, and my opinion is that the Bible is accurate about half the time.

 

[razeontherock]

Is that with the Pi half eaten, or the glass half full?

 

[Jazer]

I have taken the time, and my opinion is that the Bible is accurate about half the time.

My dad use to have hand outs that he would give to his patients. Some of them he wrote himself, some were articals from various magazines. They were about half accuate, the other half I did not see where it had any value. But if you have a doctor that is half way accurate with his advise, then you have a pretty good doctor. There is science and there are doctors out there that are pretty worthless and do not do anything at all for anyone other then to take their money. In fact the whole mafia controled drug industry is more interested in getting your money and they could care less about doing anything to really cure anyone.

If you got a Bible that is half way accurate then your doing a lot better then a lot of people on here that can not seem to get any of it to work for them in their lives. Even though there are lots of promises in the Bible and you would think there is something in there that most anyone would want. Esp people that need healing, peace, comfort and so on.

 

[Jazer]

It is not reasonable to think their measurement of 10 cubits was imprecise or unrepeatable. It was simply a different unit of measure than we use today.

At the time it was based on the size of their king. A foot was the size of his foot, a cubit was the length from his elbow to the tip of his fingers. Then everyone would be amazed at how big the king was. Because no mere mortal would have a foot that big. Kinda like basket ball players today that make mulit millions of dollars for their endorsements.

 

[Habakk]

At the time it was based on the size of their king. A foot was the size of his foot, a cubit was the length from his elbow to the tip of his fingers. Then everyone would be amazed at how big the king was. Because no mere mortal would have a foot that big. Kinda like basket ball players today that make mulit millions of dollars for their endorsements.

Good point.

Like every measurement there was a standard and some consistency. Today in England the tendency is to use the meter (in actual practice we use both S.I. and Imperial systems and switch between meters and feet and inches) and the measurement is traced back to the standard in the National Physics Laboratory. A meter is internationally defined as the length of the path travelled by light in a vacuum during a time interval of 1/299,792,458 of a second. That is the absolute standard.

In Bible days such accurate measurements were not possible as current technology was not available however the simple point is that a traceable standard was still used.

The assumptions for conversion to inches give a very good approximation for pi. I personally think that the value determined from that bible passage deriving pi at 3.14 should suffice.

The main point is that the bible value of pi is more likely to be 3.14 and not 3.

 

[Jazer]

The main point is that the bible value of pi is more likely to be 3.14 and not 3.

3 is the outer radius, 3.14 is the inner radius. In your math class the line has no thickness. In the real world the line has thickness that has to be taken into consideration. Even on the computer your line is going to be at least one pixel thick.

 

[Belk]

3 is the outer radius, 3.14 is the inner radius. In your math class the line has no thickness. In the real world the line has thickness that has to be taken into consideration. Even on the computer your line is going to be at least one pixel thick.

I am no math whiz by any means but I am pretty sure that if the inner radius is 3.14 and the outer radius is 3 then your insides are farther from the center of the circle then the outsides. Radius is the distance from the center of a circle to its outside point Jazer. Pi is a function of the circumference of a circle with is radius.

Circumference