My Pi Challenge

[AV1611VET]

Am I correct here? Is this the point?

You are indeed correct, my friend! Good job!

My op is a trick question; but it makes anyone who harps on 1 Kings 7:23 being wrong because it incorrectly gives the value of Pi look bad.

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

edit: woah thread necromancy

Don't worry about it.

The only ones who complain about it here have netiquette problems of their own.

 

[AV1611VET]

My austere contribution to this thread:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AOeSrLCD-U

} -- Now you know why Pi is an irrational number!

 

[Eudaimonist]

My Pie challenge:

Apple, pumpkin, or chocolate?


eudaimonia,

Mark

 

[Freodin]

As much as you might like Incariols answer, it is wrong. Ovals don't have a diameter. Only circles do.

 

[AV1611VET]

As much as you might like Incariols answer, it is wrong. Ovals don't have a diameter. Only circles do.

Fair enough.

No circles, no diameters, no radii, and no Pi was mentioned in that passage; yet antagonists like to say it represents Pi as 3.000.

 

[Hespera]

Looks tedious to read the whole thread.

did we establish that the bible gives approximate numbers and that the value of pi from those approximate numbers is approximately correct?

And that if one thing in the bible is only approximate it means other things are / could be only approximate

And that some things may be wrong by a bigger percent than those measurements are.

And that if the book is only approximate by some unknown percent then a literal translation is inevitably incorrect.

Seems obvious.

 

[Freodin]

Fair enough.

No circles, no diameters, no radii, and no Pi was mentioned in that passage; yet antagonists like to say it represents Pi as 3.000.

There was a diameter mentioned in that passage. It was given as 10.000 feet.

 

[Hespera]

There was a diameter mentioned in that passage. It was given as 10.000 feet.

so it was 10,000 ft zactly, not 9,999,999999 or maybe 10,000.0000001

 

[Freodin]

so it was 10,000 ft zactly, not 9,999,999999 or maybe 10,000.0000001

That's what AV said. It's right there for all to see, even him.

 

[AV1611VET]

There was a diameter mentioned in that passage. It was given as 10.000 feet.

Didn't you just say only circles have diameters?

Here's the passage:

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Please highlight in red where diameter is inferred.

 

[AV1611VET]

That's what AV said.

Not hardly.

 

[Freodin]

Didn't you just say only circles have diameters?

Here's the passage:

1 Kings 7:23 And he made a molten sea, ten cubits from the one brim to the other: it was round all about, and his height was five cubits: and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about.

Please highlight in red where diameter is inferred.

Err, no... here's the passage:

You have a wash basin with the following dimensions:

1. It's circumference is 30.000 feet.
2. It's diameter is 10.000 feet.

What is Pi?

Can't you even refrain from derailing your own "challenges"?

Not hardly.

I call that "self-pwned".

 

[razeontherock]

did we establish that the bible gives approximate numbers and that the value of pi from those approximate numbers is approximately correct?

And that if one thing in the bible is only approximate it means other things are / could be only approximate

And that some things may be wrong by a bigger percent than those measurements are.

And that if the book is only approximate by some unknown percent then a literal translation is inevitably incorrect.

Seems obvious.

Almost as humorous as a pie fight!

 

[Hespera]

Almost as humorous as a pie fight!

It is kind of funny to see the way a literalist will flop about like a fresh caught mackerel rather than just admit the obvious.

That is why provoke the guy into one of his pi-frenzies now and then.

 

[razeontherock]

So is AV a self-professed literalist? Seems to me that many statements in the Bible are not obvious at all. I remember first encountering the passage the OP alludes to, and deciding to move on rather than ponder the geometric ramifications, figuring it'd come up sometime later. That was over 25 years ago, and it still could've waited

 

[Hespera]

Taking the bible "literally' is impossible far as i can see, so people who claim they do are being a bit weird, imho. i didnt mention any names btw.

 

[AV1611VET]

Taking the bible "literally' is impossible far as i can see, so people who claim they do are being a bit weird, imho.

Says Miss Fashion Plate, in a lab coat and holding a clipboard?

(Somewhere there must be a runway with womens' style scientists' garb?)

 

[Habakk]

Assumption a cubit is about 18 inches so the diameter is then about 180 inches

Thickness of the bowl rim is given as one handsbreadth or about 4 inches

So inner radius is (180/2) – 4 = 86 inches

Inner circumference is 30 cubits, or (30 x 18) 540 inches

C = 2(pi)r or 540 = 2 pi x 86

Pi = 540/172 making pi approx. 3.14 (quite close i think)

 

[Hespera]

Assumption a cubit is about 18 inches so the diameter is then about 180 inches

Thickness of the bowl rim is given as one handsbreadth or about 4 inches

So inner radius is (180/2) – 4 = 86 inches

Inner circumference is 30 cubits, or (30 x 18) 540 inches

C = 2(pi)r or 540 = 2 pi x 86

Pi = 540/172 making pi approx. 3.14 (quite close i think)

assuming that all measurements are 'about' this much or that much, then we are assuming that it is about, or approximately correct.

That is unacceptable to ye literalist, I believe.

in any case "brim'

brim [brɪm]n1. the upper rim of a vessel the brim of a cup
2. a projecting rim or edge the brim of a hat
3. the brink or edge of something

in no way implies or states inside diameter.

 

[Eudaimonist]

You are all wrong. The correct answer is pumpkin pie. Pumpkin is the correct answer.


eudaimonia,

Mark