My Pi Challenge

[razeontherock]

Objection: this has all been addressed. In the thread. NOT in the OP.

You seem to be striking out, in every way possible.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I'm sorry. This is not how I would normally behave and I apologize.

 

[Tiberius]

Investigate the merit of what another has to say, rather than brandishing your fellow man a failure. Which is flaming, and a direct violation of the rules.

There is very little to investigate regarding the determination of the value of pi. it is easily proved. if anyone disagrees, then they are wrong, pure and simple. Such a decalration of fact is not flaming, no more than it would be flaming if I stated that a person who claimed that 1+1=5 was wrong.

 

[razeontherock]

Tiberius: that is not in question. If you had read the thread, (not just the OP) you would know that.

Mr P: apology accepted.

Summary: it has been shown how Pi could be upheld by the Scripture in the OP, and also how Pi could be completely irrelevant. I really don't know which is applicable, but I will say when I first read that I knew there was a whole lot under the surface, and I read on rather than getting sidetracked with these details.

 

[Tiberius]

I have read the thread. I've seen AV try to claim that pi applies to ellipses when it does not. Perhaps I am missing something?

 

[Jazer]

Wait...so you're saying that in Euclidean geometry it is possible to construct a circle such that it has a radius of 1 and a circumference of 3?

Remember the radius is INSIDE and the Circumference is OUTSIDE. Euclidean geometry does not even take the thickness of the line into consideration, much less the thickness of the vessel.

 

[AV1611VET]

I've seen AV try to claim that pi applies to ellipses when it does not.

Link please?

 

[Tiberius]

Did you accept the claim of the second post of this thread that the vessel was elliptical? And didn't you say in the first post that the shape of that vessel was related to the value of pi?

 

[AV1611VET]

Did you accept the claim of the second post of this thread that the vessel was elliptical? And didn't you say in the first post that the shape of that vessel was related to the value of pi?

If I did, then I was wrong.

For the record, Pi is not mentioned in that passage in 1 Kings, so there is no error involved.

For those who say that the Bible [erroneously] says Pi is 3.000, I say they must be assuming that molten sea is a circle.

 

[Tiberius]

*Sigh* AV, how many times do we need to say, that pi only works with circles? If the molten sea is elliptical, then we need two measures of its distance across. Only one was given, which does imply a circle, and thus does give us a Biblical basis for pi.

 

[Lillen]

I had pi memorized to 200 decimal places once. Let's see how I go:

I could count from 10 to 0 the fastest in my class, and i could repeat the alphabeth in swedish in less then 4 seconds!! see if i rembere it from first grade!

‪Counting backwards.wmv‬‏ - YouTube

 

[razeontherock]

*Sigh* AV, how many times do we need to say, that pi only works with circles? If the molten sea is elliptical, then we need two measures of its distance across. Only one was given, which does imply a circle, and thus does give us a Biblical basis for pi.

*Sigh* You REALLY are not paying attention!

 

[Tiberius]

Then pray tell, what am I missing. Tell me specifically please!

 

[AV1611VET]

*Sigh* AV, how many times do we need to say, that pi only works with circles? If the molten sea is elliptical, then we need two measures of its distance across. Only one was given, which does imply a circle, and thus does give us a Biblical basis for pi.

Are you saying that if I asked you to make an oval wash basin 30' x 10' around, you would need more information?

 

[Tiberius]

No, I am sayiong that the value pi does not apply to anything that is nopt circular.

So if you want to claim that the basin described in the Bible is elliptical, then using it in a discussion about the value of pi makes about as much sense as citing chicken wings in a discussion about aircraft construction materials.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, I am sayiong that the value pi does not apply to anything that is nopt circular.

Okay -- and if I said otherwise, I was wrong. Thanks for the 411.

So if you want to claim that the basin described in the Bible is elliptical, then using it in a discussion about the value of pi makes about as much sense as citing chicken wings in a discussion about aircraft construction materials.

I agree --

 

[Freodin]

Okay -- and if I said otherwise, I was wrong. Thanks for the 411.

I agree --

Well, to give a single value of length for going "from rim to rim" for an eliptical object does make exactly as much sense... none.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well, to give a single value of length for going "from rim to rim" for an eliptical object does make exactly as much sense... none.

So if someone offered you $100.00 to draw an oval on a sheet of paper, 30" x 10", you couldn't do it?

 

[Freodin]

So if someone offered you $100.00 to draw an oval on a sheet of paper, 30" x 10", you couldn't do it?

10" across and 30" round?

No, not unambigiously.


Let's do the wager. Draw an oval with these measurement, find out whether it meets up the one I draw to the same specifications.... and if you win I'll give you 100.00 blessings.

 

[Tiberius]

Okay -- and if I said otherwise, I was wrong. Thanks for the 411.

I agree --

Then what was the point of your OP?

Just to ask the value of pi? Google could have helped you there.

But as for the bible passages, either the basin was circular or it wasn't. If it was circular, then the dimensions given are impossible. If it was not circular, it is irrelevant.