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My Kidney Challenge

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Hi,

I just did a search on the word falsify.

It is not a scientific word.

It is a Philosophical Word. A Philosopher, Popper, used that word with science.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/



Practical Philosophy Only, is used in science, as has no other purpose, than to produce better answers, not solve problems, nor prove things wrong or right.,

As such, it is improper and intellectually incorrect, to imply that it belongs in science.



Merely, it shifts the conversation and focus to Philosophy from its reference point here of science.

Here is an article on The Scientific Method.

Falsification, notice, is gratuitously, synonymous with proof, with proof being common and taking precedence.

http://www.bio.miami.edu/dana/dox/scientific_method.html

As a result, falsify and falsifiable, is being misused here.

Here is an article on Popper the Philosopher, that they are using.

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/popper/

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

I only believe things that I can prove, or others have proved.

I do not believe as you say.

On Sally's kidney, if she was here, she would get my kidney to live.

Genesis 1:28, and Romans 13:1-5, also cover that, but Romans 14, and Mark 9:38-42, also allow for those less educated, in God, to not give a kidney to save her life.

LOVE,

yet your proofs are flawed - limited by man's current level of knowledge.

i don't see how Genesis 1:28 and Romans 13:1-5 apply; can you elaborate? Romans 14 doesn't trump the red letters in Mark 11:23, 24. there's a difference between a cup of water and a kidney...
 
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Hi,

yet your proofs are flawed - limited by man's current level of knowledge.

i don't see how Genesis 1:28 and Romans 13:1-5 apply; can you elaborate? Romans 14 doesn't trump the red letters in Mark 11:23, 24. there's a difference between a cup of water and a kidney...

Hi,

yet your proofs are flawed - limited by man's current level of knowledge.

God, sent help for me to do "my work"
"My" work was not really my work.

In order for you to accurately, say "my" proofs are flawed, you would have to have repeated my work.

When you repeated "my" work, you would then submit your work back to me, or to others who are familiar with my work, so that 'your' work can be checked for errors.

Then a decision would be made.

Until you do that, nothing you say or do changes the findings.

i don't see how Genesis 1:28 and Romans 13:1-5 apply; can you elaborate?

If you do the work, you will no longer have trouble seeing how those two phrases apply.

Romans 14 doesn't trump the red letters in Mark 11:23, 24. there's a difference between a cup of water and a kidney...

God, never said, that faith substitutes for work, when faith is not needed, as you or I can get what we need, by works and not faith alone.

If, that was the case, I would not be in trouble, with God, for in faith asking and getting my breakfast in bed. I am not joking.

God, for us, is about work, about things like working in the vineyard.

God rested, and from that, God works.

Sit here at my right side... There too God is working.

We are to do that to.

If faith alone did everything, God would be your servant. He would be my servant.

I the servant would be His master. You the servant would be His master.

Servants do the bidding of their master.

Biblically, I and you, and everyone else, is to have God as our Master.


All the red words. And then some.
22 And Jesus answered them, “Have faith in God. 23 Truly, I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and thrown into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says will come to pass, it will be done for him. 24 Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. 25 And whenever you stand praying, forgive, if you have anything against anyone, so that your Father also who is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.”

LOVE,
 
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Hi,

I see you think excessively pedanticizing things with esoteric Philosophical words such as falsification, holds more validity than what is actually done in industry, not governments, nor schools, but industry for the last several hundred years, by people like Newton, and Grove, and Tremere, and Sansbury and Flatt and Gevondian plus every other researcher so far that I have bumped into at Oregon State University, Stanford, Berkeley, and in their papers and writings, that that, falsification is over my head, and not in fact superseded by proofs and correlations such as r-squared?

No one in my field uses falsification, by that name.

Everyone in my field has contributed to today's technology.

LOVE,
If you don't understand the basic concepts of science then there is nothing I can do about it. Hence, you are LITERALLY missing the point.
 
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If you don't understand the basic concepts of science then there is nothing I can do about it. Hence, you are LITERALLY missing the point.

Hi,

It appears that you are no scientist, nor have you ever been one.

LOVE,
 
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There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die.

Do I have the right to force you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?

Hi,

Same answer, so we can get back on topic for you.

It would be unconscionable for me not to give up one of my kidneys to save someone else's life.

If your kidney would not work, and mine would, I would be guilty of manslaughter or murder, for not giving up my kidney.

Murder would be, if I intentionally, wanted to harm, and used my extra kidney as a weapon.

Manslaughter would be, if I did not give it up, for reasons not related to intentional harm.

LOVE,
 
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Unlike evolution, which says populations evolve, not individuals; salvation is the opposite.

Individuals are born again, not populations.

So I ask:

ASSUMING you aren't a starving kid in Africa,

ASSUMING you weren't molested in a church as a little kid,

What's you're excuse for not accepting Christ as your Saviour?

Or are you just hiding behind starving and molested children and hoping they'll make excuses for you?

You think it's just hiding when I say that I refuse to worship any omnipotent being that allows these things to happen?

Honestly, I find that disgusting.
 
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Kylie

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Hi,

Hi KTS. On this only, two reference points are being used.



I did not believe in God, when I tested the Bible to see if it was real. I did not.

Objectively, I held that as a possibility, because of no proof by anyone yet, that He is not Real, had been performed.

Your statements above are highly correct, by the work I have done in this field.

However, many here are talking from their reference point of having the proof that God exists, but forget that is their reference point.

People who already know that God exists, have a different set of restrictions on them for testing God, and they are telling you those, it seems.

Being musical, at your level, you are also Mathematical. So, it would be like me telling them to look at something in partials or integrate, meaning Partial Differential Equations, or an Integral Equation, to get a particular answer for themselves, when they are not Mathematicians yet.

Mathematically and using human terms, God is a theory, until proven one way or another, but to and by the individual.

Math and Music are not either of them bystander learned, they are learned by doing.

The ones who do and have done and have learned, are talking about testing God, from that view point, not from yours.

LOVE,

So you are saying that I have to discard logic and reason in order to discover God?

No thanks.
 
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Kylie

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now we're getting somewhere!

think about the scientific process; it begins with a theory - a scientifically unproven concept. scientists don't test theories they don't believe in - they meditate on a theory, decide to believe it's likely true (put faith in it), and then test to prove it's right - not to prove it's wrong. where would science be if no theory was ever considered for which there wasn't clear evidence to support it? we'd still think the earth is the center of the universe, wouldn't we? the hubbel telescope was launched to prove theories about the universe - not to disprove them - so yes - like the scientist, you have to believe in something before you can effectively test for it.

that's what faith in God is - it is a test of His faithfulness to fulfill His promises - but if you won't even consider that there is a God - why would you bother testing Him to prove for yourself that He will make good on His word? like the many scientists that spent much of their lives trying to prove a theory that they believed was true before they had evidence to support that faith, you will have to dare to believe there is a God or you will certainly not look for Him with all your heart no matter how long it takes to find Him...

actually, i don't need to prove anything to you; your lack of faith has nothing to do with me receiving what God has already given to me before i was born - you must be looking for something or you wouldn't have been here so long - i'm trying to help you find Him.

as for Christians who don't walk in faith perfectly, there are no atheists who walk in faith that there is no God perfectly either - else none would have become Christians. we can trade studies and testimonies until hell freezes over (or forever for you since you don't believe there is a hell), but your unbelief doesn't change the miracles i've seen in my life and the lives of others; trying to convince me that there is no God is like trying to tell a man who's doing a backstroke in a pool that there's no water in it - i believed, then tested God through faith, and i've seen - so now i know there is a Good God who loves everyone selflessly; and i understand why bad things happen in the earth - you can too if you'll test the theory to prove it rather than disprove it.

back to God's system of delegated authority, when Adam and Eve yielded their authority in the earth to the devil that you don't believe in, that same devil gained access to their unrestricted authority in the earth. at this point, God had to do something to keep His creation from falling into the hands of the devil, since the devil was effectively holding man hostage, He could destroy man to get to the devil, or He could break His word - and that's something God can not do (yes - there is really something God can't do - He can not break His word). but He loved man so much that He did the only other thing He could do - He became a man named Jesus, lived His mortal life without yielding His unrestricted authority in the earth to the devil, and then gave that authority back to people in flesh bodies - but like the scientist and their theories, you have to believe Him in order to test this and receive it. and like the scientist, the Christian doesn't either completely believe without doubt, or simply disbelieve; there is a fight to believe and not doubt in every area of life - prosperity, healing, deliverance, etc. the unbelief i've soaked up from the world of doubters is enough to bind my faith in the area of flying bullets, so until i'm confident that i can stop bullets with my faith, i'm gonna be smart and dive in a foxhole for the time being. but there is a powerful testimony of a man who did overcome his doubt in this way - http://kasontan.livejournal.com/972.html - but if you won't consider that this is possible (theory), you won't consider the evidence of others either...

as for how you're doing, you can make bold statements here, but you aren't fooling me - when it's late at night and you can't sleep, and your mind drifts to the pointlessness of this fleeting life on this earth - you face the emptiness that only God can fill just like everyone else

You have no idea how science works. Literally no idea at all.
 
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You think it's just hiding when I say that I refuse to worship any omnipotent being that allows these things to happen?
Yes.
KTS said:
Honestly, I find that disgusting.
So do I.
 
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Obviously, you know nothing about transplants....it is major surgery. And the person who qualifies for a transplant isn't at death's door...she can have dialysis treatments like a million other people living with failed kidneys.

wait, what? I thought god was healing them ?
 
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wait, what? I thought god was healing them ?

I don't know about the rest of the people here, but I see God healing people through traditional medicine on a daily basis. Sometime the "healing" is just replicating the action of a failed organ like dialysis. We get used to it but really, the fact is that so many people continue to live with just minor inconveniences like dialysis instead of flat out dying like they would have less than a 100 years ago.

And I am not of the believe system that God intends to heal everyone. Last I looked, everyone eventually does die of something. Death is pretty much a given.
 
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