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Because inaction isn't the same as a deliberate action to end a life.Are you sure? If I make a decision about my actions, and the course of action I take results in someone dying, then why make the difference?
Because inaction isn't the same as a deliberate action to end a life.
If I see someone drowning and I don't save them, that's not murder. If I hold them under, it is. Pretty obvious.
No.
It's still not the same as murder.
You didn't cause their death.
So?
If you needed a kidney and I was the only possible donor, but I said, "Nah, don't feel like it, sorry," wouldn't you be upset?
Not the same thing. the man doesn't have to be pregnant for nine months (that's no walk in the park), or raise the kid.
The man can bugger off and have nothing to do with the kid apart from paying a bit each month. So don't try to make them out to be the same thing.
You do not have the right to force your beliefs onto others. Your morality applies to YOU and no one else.
There is a little girl, named Sally. She needs a kidney transplant or she will die. You are the only compatible donor available.
Should you be forced you to give up one of your kidneys to save her life?
Why or why not?
It’s less than people who die in car crashes every year. So out of 7+ billion people, it’s not that high.Three hundred and three thousand isn't very many? Oh that's nice.
That your morality. You can’t tell me what my morality is.You do not have the right to force your beliefs onto others. Your morality applies to YOU and no one else.
For you, it might be. But you can’t say it’s bad if it’s someone else.If I see someone drowning and decide, "Nah, I'm not going to help them, I'd rather they die," is that not just as bad?
That your morality. You can’t tell me what my morality is.
Would I be upset that I would die? Yes.
Would I be upset that you wouldn't donate? Yes.
But I would not hold you responsible, because you didn't cause the situation. So I don't see an obligation on your part.
But if you engage in sex and it results in pregnancy, then both parties that participated are responsible for the life that is brought about by that decision.
I did not say they involve all the same burdens or risks. I said that we hold the man responsible because he participated in an act that led to this new life. And we don't let him out of responsibility if he says he didn't want a child, or birth control failed.
The woman made the same choice to engage in sex, knowing that pregnancy could result. If he can be held responsible based on his participation in the act, she can also.
Your scenario avoided the notion of responsibility for the ramifications of one's choices. But that is part of the equation in the vast majority of abortions, save those where rape was involved.
That your morality. You can’t tell me what my morality is.
Nope, that’s her forcing her morality on me.That's not her morality. That's the basis for living in a pluralistic society peacefully, where people obviously disagree on matters of the highest good or the transcendent.
I’m just using your own argument against you. Again. You have no basis to say I’m wrong. All you have is personal feelings.Why not? You seem to have no problem when you can push your morality onto others, why do you suddenly cry foul when you are being treated the way you treat others? There's a word for that. HYPOCRISY.
Irrelevant. I am still making a choice that results in you dying.
But one party bears a much larger burden than the other. In fact, the other party can bugger off never to be heard from again.
If we are going to say, "If you participate in activity X when Y can result, then you just have to deal with it and not do anything that could avoid it," then why don't we apply the same logic to people who get innured? Break a bone? Just deal with it. No pain killers or cast for you. You knew the risks when you decided to do whatever it was that you were doing when you broke your bone.
Why not? You seem to have no problem when you can push your morality onto others, why do you suddenly cry foul when you are being treated the way you treat others? There's a word for that. HYPOCRISY.
That depends whether person A actually caused person's B's death or merely didn't prevent it from happening. I already covered this.If Person A decides on a course of action that results in the death of Person B, and Person A knows that Person B will die as a result of this course of action, and Person A still decides to take this course of action anyway, is Person A responsible for Person B's death?
Yes or no please.
Whatsoever ye do unto the least among ye...tall73 said: ↑
The scenarios are not parallel.
In the kidney scenario the person who is donating did not bring about the need for a kidney in the person.
In pregnancy the people engaging in sex did bring about the need for the baby to live in the uterus.
Would I be upset that I would die? Yes.
Would I be upset that you wouldn't donate? Yes.
But I would not hold you responsible, because you didn't cause the situation. So I don't see an obligation on your part.
But if you engage in sex and it results in pregnancy, then both parties that participated are responsible for the life that is brought about by that decision.
tall73 said: ↑
Do you think a man having sex with a woman should have to pay child support if the birth control methods used fail? What if he didn't want the child?
He is required to pay child support because he engaged in an act that can lead to life, even when that is not the desired outcome, and even if prevention methods are used.
I did not say they involve all the same burdens or risks. I said that we hold the man responsible because he participated in an act that led to this new life. And we don't let him out of responsibility if he says he didn't want a child, or birth control failed.
The woman made the same choice to engage in sex, knowing that pregnancy could result. If he can be held responsible based on his participation in the act, she can also.
Your scenario avoided the notion of responsibility for the ramifications of one's choices. But that is part of the equation in the vast majority of abortions, save those where rape was involved.
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