My Interglacial Challenge

[Ancient of Days]

When people that YOU trust are caught falsifying data, your position is greatly diminished.

 

[VirOptimus]

"On April 10, forty-nine former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, admonishing the agency in general, and GISS under Hansen’s leadership in particular, for its role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change…while neglecting basic empirical evidence that calls that theory into question. The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, is dismayed over the failure to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change, charging that NASA is relying too heavily upon complex models that have proven to be scientifically inadequate for climate predictions."

Rest of the article: Global Warming Alarmism: When Science IS Fiction

An article from 2012? Really?

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Aren't we in an ice age right now?

We are supposed to be coming out of an interglacial and going into an ice age based on the Milankovich Cycles. But the global average temperature and the polar ice coverage on the North Pole are going in the WRONG DIRECTION.

In a very real sense we have actually possibly overpowered the forcings due to orbital obliquity! Pretty amazing for a hairless ape relatively new on the scene.

If I recall, according to the researchers who initially figured out the Milankovich Cycles impact on Cenozoic glaciation, we may be several thousand years late to the next ice age. But I don't have that quote handy right now.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

"On April 10, forty-nine former NASA scientists and astronauts sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden, admonishing the agency in general, and GISS under Hansen’s leadership in particular, for its role in advocating a high degree of certainty that man-made CO2 is a major cause of climate change…while neglecting basic empirical evidence that calls that theory into question. The group, which includes seven Apollo astronauts and two former directors of NASA’s Johnson Space Center in Houston, is dismayed over the failure to make an objective assessment of all available scientific data on climate change, charging that NASA is relying too heavily upon complex models that have proven to be scientifically inadequate for climate predictions."

Rest of the article: Global Warming Alarmism: When Science IS Fiction

And of course there's a reply to those issues:

NASA Retirees Appeal to their Own Lack of Climate Authority

 

[AV1611VET]

We are supposed to be coming out of an interglacial and going into an ice age based on the Milankovich Cycles.

Just out of curiosity, what is your area of expertise?

 

[Enfeoffment75]

The climate is changing all the time, it has been since the beginning. Is that simple enough for YOU? Why did they change the name from "Global warming"?

Yes the global climate has changed in the past in earth's history. In many cases we know the mechanisms that caused that. AND that is how we know the CURRENT WARMING is likely DOMINATED BY HUMAN ACTIVITIES.

That's the beauty of paleoclimatology.

As for the "name change", well, it really isn't a change. No one thinks there's anything other than global WARMING going on on a global basis. LOCALLY climate my change and get colder but globally the earth is getting WARMER. In fact that's been the consensus for years now.

May you could study some actual climate science?

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Just out of curiosity, what is your area of expertise?

Why?

 

[AV1611VET]

Why?

You come across as a smart cookie to me, and I'm wondering what your area of expertise is.

Earlier, you used the word "can't", instead of "don't" (or vice versa) in one of your posts, and it impressed me for some reason.

 

[Strathos]

Why?

He wants you to either:

A. Say you're not an expert, in which case he will dismiss everything you say

B. Say you are an expert, in which case he will call you an insulting name while decrying higher education, and then dismiss everything you say

 

[redleghunter]

In a very real sense we have actually possibly overpowered the forcings due to orbital obliquity!

How did humans accomplish this?

 

[Strathos]

How did humans accomplish this?

Greenhouse effect - Wikipedia

 

[redleghunter]

Greenhouse effect - Wikipedia

That does no not explain how human activity has affected the Earth's tilt on its rotational axis at an angle.

http://www.global-climate-change.org.uk/2-5-2-1.php

In a very real sense we have actually possibly overpowered the forcings due to orbital obliquity!

 

[Strathos]

That does no not explain how human activity has affected the Earth's tilt on its rotational axis at an angle.

Climate Change | Milankovitch Cycles | Obliquity | Ice Ages

I think you're misunderstanding. Humans haven't changed the tilt, but what they have done is create stronger warming forces than the cooling forces created by the tilt.

 

[AV1611VET]

A. Say you're not an expert, in which case he will dismiss everything you say.

Like you guys do with Henry Morris?

B. Say you are an expert, in which case he will call you an insulting name while decrying higher education, and then dismiss everything you say

Like you guys do to Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, ICR, DI, and any and all others?

 

[Jimmy D]

Like you guys do with Henry Morris?Like you guys do to Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, ICR, DI, and any and all others?

LOL, Ham and Hovind et al are experts alright....... at fleecing the gullible and ignorant.

Biology, not so much.

 

[AV1611VET]

LOL, Ham and Hovind et al are experts alright....... at fleecing the gullible and ignorant.

Biology, not so much.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[VirOptimus]

Thanks for the QED.

Provide links to their scientific achievements and peer-reviewed articles.

 

[AV1611VET]

Provide links to their scientific achievements and peer-reviewed articles.

Can't you be an expert without all that documentation?

Or do we live in a technocracy run by the Gestapo?

 

[VirOptimus]

Can't you be an expert without all that documentation?

Or do we live in a technocracy run by the Gestapo?

... you really dont understand science and what it means to be an expert.

Gestapo? Goodwin much?

 

[AV1611VET]

... you really dont understand science and what it means to be an expert.

I understand that apparently you think we can't have experts outside of science.

Gestapo?

Yes.

Goodwin much?

It's "Godwin," and if the shoe fits, let science wear it.

It's sad that someone can't claim to be an expert on something without someone else coming along and saying, "Show me your papers."