My Interglacial Challenge

[AirPo]

So why all the hoopla then about global warming?

If were are between two ice ages right now, wouldn't that appear the Earth is unusually hot?

global warming does not mean the Earth is unusually hot.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

How did humans accomplish this?

By pumping vast amounts of greenhouse gases and significantly altering land-use patterns.

The relative climate forcings due to greenhouse gases are right now sufficient to overwhelm the change in temperatures due to the orbital obliquity from the Milankovich cycle precession.

We know where the greenhouse gases are coming from due to the isotopic composition of the excess CO2 in the atmosphere (it indicates a source like fossil and vegetal fuels being burned, hence human activity).

So we know we've possibly been able to forestall the next ice age.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Like you guys do to Ken Ham, Kent Hovind, ICR, DI, and any and all others?

Kent Hovind ("Dr Dino") is a fraud and tax cheat. His "doctorate" is from a diploma mill. That does not earn him any respect. But most importantly the "science" he espouses is usually just wrong.

ICR and DI? "Scientific" organizations that start off with the goal to prove a foregone conclusion. And again often their science is either poorly done our outright wrong.

That's the beauty of data and science: indeed you don't need to have specific bona fides to assess it, but you can't ignore it when it goes against your preconceptions. The data (and the rocks etc) don't lie.

Ken Ham? Well, yeah there's a special place of ignomy for him in my estimation. Seems like he has made some use of tricky money shuffling to avoid new taxes on his ARk Encounter theme park. It is always an inspiration that the truly pious need only get down on their knees to pray to their true god (mammon) and their prayers are always answered. (Could a $10 sale mean no more taxes for Noah’s Ark theme park?)

 

[AV1611VET]

Kent Hovind ("Dr Dino") is a fraud and tax cheat. His "doctorate" is from a diploma mill. That does not earn him any respect. But most importantly the "science" he espouses is usually just wrong.

ICR and DI? "Scientific" organizations that start off with the goal to prove a foregone conclusion. And again often their science is either poorly done our outright wrong.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Thanks for the QED.

If you show us good science done by any of these folks of course the verdict could be quite different.

But I am attempting only to show how the bona fides do not earn respect outright. Only the value of the work.

AND at the same time the bad behaviors of these Christians also open them up to criticism unrelated to their "science" (like Kent Hovind actively stealing from other tax payers by not paying his share. You see if his position is predicated on a Christ-centric world view then he cannot decide to act as a servant for evil whenever it suits his pocket book. It makes him look like a liar.)

 

[AV1611VET]

You see if his position is predicated on a Christ-centric world view then he cannot decide to act as a servant for evil whenever it suits his pocket book.

No argument there.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

I remember a time when it was considered anathema if school teachers smoked in public.

 

[redleghunter]

I think you're misunderstanding. Humans haven't changed the tilt, but what they have done is create stronger warming forces than the cooling forces created by the tilt.

Wasn't exactly a misunderstanding but wanting a claification. As the original statement I quoted left subject modifiers up in the air.

However, your explanation does shed light and in doing so probably saved us some crazy responses,

 

[VirOptimus]

I understand that apparently you think we can't have experts outside of science.Yes.It's "Godwin," and if the shoe fits, let science wear it.

It's sad that someone can't claim to be an expert on something without someone else coming along and saying, "Show me your papers."

Saying that one are an expert without the ”papers” to back it up is an empty claim.

 

[redleghunter]

By pumping vast amounts of greenhouse gases and significantly altering land-use patterns.

The relative climate forcings due to greenhouse gases are right now sufficient to overwhelm the change in temperatures due to the orbital obliquity from the Milankovich cycle precession.

We know where the greenhouse gases are coming from due to the isotopic composition of the excess CO2 in the atmosphere (it indicates a source like fossil and vegetal fuels being burned, hence human activity).

So we know we've possibly been able to forestall the next ice age.

I meant tilt. However another poster explained you were not accusing humanity of changing the Earth's tilt.

I assumed you meant human contributions to warming. But the statement I quoted from you could have handled the subject modifier a bit better.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

I meant tilt. However another poster explained you were not accusing humanity of changing the Earth's tilt.

I assumed you meant human contributions to warming. But the statement I quoted from you could have handled the subject modifier a bit better.

OK, I see your confusion. Correct, I am only talking about forcing functions. Not that humans have actually changed the tilt of the earth.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

No argument there.

1 Thessalonians 5:22 Abstain from all appearance of evil.

I remember a time when it was considered anathema if school teachers smoked in public.

But I would only apply that limitation to people whose raison d'etre for their pronouncements/employement etc. is predicated on being Christ-centric. I wouldn't apply it to just anyone.

If a minister is making his daily bread spreading the gospel then it opens him or her up to criticism if they also rob banks in order to get gas money to spread the Gospel. It turns their witness into a lie.

But I wouldn't say that a person who makes his or her living as a lumberjack but who also robbed banks was probably not to be trusted to be cutting down trees correctly.

Hope that makes sense.

 

[redleghunter]

Kent Hovind ("Dr Dino") is a fraud and tax cheat. His "doctorate" is from a diploma mill. That does not earn him any respect. But most importantly the "science" he espouses is usually just wrong.

ICR and DI? "Scientific" organizations that start off with the goal to prove a foregone conclusion. And again often their science is either poorly done our outright wrong.

That's the beauty of data and science: indeed you don't need to have specific bona fides to assess it, but you can't ignore it when it goes against your preconceptions. The data (and the rocks etc) don't lie.

Ken Ham? Well, yeah there's a special place of ignomy for him in my estimation. Seems like he has made some use of tricky money shuffling to avoid new taxes on his ARk Encounter theme park. It is always an inspiration that the truly pious need only get down on their knees to pray to their true god (mammon) and their prayers are always answered. (Could a $10 sale mean no more taxes for Noah’s Ark theme park?)

Your assertion against at least the Discovery Institute is not accurate:
http://www.discovery.org/about/fellows/

 

[redleghunter]

OK, I see your confusion. Correct, I am only talking about forcing functions. Not that humans have actually changed the tilt of the earth.

It wasn't a confusion. I was just offering a better way for you to communicate your point without some crazy responses.

Don't forget your English and Composition education even in statements where jargon is used.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hope that makes sense.

It does.

Just off the record, what about a minister who goes into a bar to spread the Gospel?

 

[redleghunter]

It does.

Just off the record, what about a minister who goes into a bar to spread the Gospel?

If he comes out and is seen by congregants who didn't know his purpose? You run into the same problem IMO.

 

[redleghunter]

But I wouldn't say that a person who makes his or her living as a lumberjack but who also robbed banks was probably not to be trusted to be cutting down trees correctly

Depending on how many trees there are on the prison grounds...looks like a career change to me.

 

[Larniavc]

Earlier, you used the word "can't", instead of "don't" (or vice versa) in one of your posts, and it impressed me for some reason

How would that affect his/her expertise?

Irregardless, that’s a low bar for being impressed by the correct use of words.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

It does.

Just off the record, what about a minister who goes into a bar to spread the Gospel?

Nothing wrong with that. Gotta go where the sinners are.

 

[Enfeoffment75]

Your assertion against at least the Discovery Institute is not accurate:
http://www.discovery.org/about/fellows/

I clicked the link. I didn't see any specific indication of the science. So far I'm unaware any really solid science coming out of the DI.

I don't make claims about the science based on the people's names or even their degrees, unless their lack of degree explains how their science fails.

 

[redleghunter]

I clicked the link. I didn't see any specific indication of the science. So far I'm unaware any really solid science coming out of the DI.

I don't make claims about the science based on the people's names or even their degrees, unless their lack of degree explains how their science fails.

Your claim did indicate some low brow personalities,

It's obvious by the associated disciplines associated with ID this is not the case.

If you click on their profile you will find some of their works.