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My Integrity Challenge

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You know why.

Is it because of Jersey pine barrens?

Yeeeup.

Genesis 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

New Jersey Pine Barrens

Because pine trees grow in other places in the world.

And how did I explain that?

As I said, to be hanging around in Mesopotamia would have been disobedient to the command to replenish the earth.

His ancestors had been radiating outward from Eden for some 1500 years.

We went from Boston to LA in under 200.


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You know why.



Yeeeup.

Genesis 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.

New Jersey Pine Barrens



And how did I explain that?

As I said, to be hanging around in Mesopotamia would have been disobedient to the command to replenish the earth.

His ancestors had been radiating outward from Eden for some 1500 years.

We went from Boston to LA in under 200.


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Yeah, extra-Biblical nonsense as per your usual MO.
 
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While this may be LDS doctrine, the experience of Orthodox Christians is one routinely reinforced by actual evidence of God’s existence and of the interaction of His uncreated grace with His creation.

This is because we believe in an incarnate God who created all things (John 1:1-14), including time, space and the universe, and who is omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, impassible, eternal and immutable, distinct from creation but not outside of it.

Additionally we believe the three persons of the all-Holy consubstantial and life-giving Trinity are of one essence with the Father, from whom the Son is begotten before all ages, and from whom the Holy Spirit proceeds, and are coeternal, coequal, and united in a state of perfect love, and the Son furthermore is fully man and fully God, his humanity and divinity hypostatically united without change, confusion, separation or division.

Thus, while God in His essence is beyond human comprehension, we can perceive and interact with His uncreated energies, including the grace of the Holy Spirit, and we furthermore have many sacred relics which exhibit miraculous properties of which the Ark would simply be another example. Indeed the Ethiopian Tewahedo Orthodox Church is in posession of the Ark of the Covenant. The relics of St. Nicholas of Myra are among several relics and icons which gush sacred myrhh. And the fragments of the True Cross are known for their ability to heal the sick; indeed the Cross was identified by being used to resurrect two recently deceased people when St. Helena conducted what was arguably the first archaeological survey in history, of Jerusalem, after her son Emperor Constantine converted to Christianity (which she had previously professed), enabling her to travel to the Hagiopolis and rebuild it, for it was still largely in ruins, having never been entirely rebuilt following the failed Bar Kochba revolt in 130 AD.

I don’t know if Mormons have any miraculous objects in their temples or not, but we do in ours (and additionally many of our relics were stolen by the Venetians and other Roman Catholic temples, or were in the possession of the Roman church before the Great Schism estranged them from us, so Orthodox pilgrims will visit Roman churches to venerate the many holy relics and icons in their possession; there are also a small number of holy relics, icons and important historical artifacts in Anglican, Lutheran and other Protestant churches).
We agree with your understanding of God - as far as I understand what you have shared here - but with respect I would argue that these relics being proof of God would still dwell within the realm of faith.
 
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AV also believes that Noah came from New Jersey.
AV also believes that the angels had a cosmic wide snow ball kind of fight with the asteroids, which accounts for the divots we see in the planetary bodies.
 
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AV also believes that the angels had a cosmic wide snow ball kind of fight with the asteroids, which accounts for the divots we see in the planetary bodies.

That one is kind of cute to me. Childish, but adorable.
 
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Since one poster here likes to bring up integrity a lot, I thought I would issue a challenge based on it.

Here's my challenge:

If you were offered one million dollars to find evidence of Noah's flood, would you:

A) Take it and go look somewhere?

B) Decline it on the basis that you are convinced scientifically that Noah's flood didn't occur?
Ya know, if you’re really serious about this offer I think realistically we should renegotiate the cost because this is something that’s going to require a more substantial investment to effectively research. I’d say probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-5 million in funding because I’m going to have to go really deep off the grid on this one :oldthumbsup:
 
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Since one poster here likes to bring up integrity a lot, I thought I would issue a challenge based on it.

Here's my challenge:

If you were offered one million dollars to find evidence of Noah's flood, would you:

A) Take it and go look somewhere?

B) Decline it on the basis that you are convinced scientifically that Noah's flood didn't occur?
I would take the money! And I would do a good job - assuming the time commitment has limits.

I would make it clear that I dont believe the event happened tho, so my sponsors know who theyre getting..
 
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Yes.

Evidence of Noah's flood.
Ohhh. I see.

In that case Id refuse the job because Im pretty sure Id do a bunch of time consuming, expensive work only to find nothing and not get paid. Integrity isnt even an issue here.
 
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AV also believes that the angels had a cosmic wide snow ball kind of fight with the asteroids, which accounts for the divots we see in the planetary bodies.

Eeeyup!
 
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Ya know, if you’re really serious about this offer I think realistically we should renegotiate the cost because this is something that’s going to require a more substantial investment to effectively research. I’d say probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 3-5 million in funding because I’m going to have to go really deep off the grid on this one :oldthumbsup:

Ya -- someone in an earlier post mention 20 million.

Sounds good to me!
 
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I would take the money! And I would do a good job - assuming the time commitment has limits.

I would make it clear that I dont believe the event happened tho, so my sponsors know who theyre getting..

Money talks, doesn't it? ;)
 
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Money talks, doesn't it? ;)
Its an "integrity challenge", right?

So how does my decision implicate my integrity one way or the other? I'd be completely honest about the whole thing. I dont believe its there. But I'll give a good proper look if youre paying me to.
 
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