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And how do we know the EOC/RCC has retained the apostolic teachings. Just because the apostles taught orally doesn't mean that they taught beliefs and practices that aren't found in the Bible.

How did the Bereans check what they were taught was true? They searched the scriptures.
So did the Thessalonians and rejected then tried to kill Paul. The Bereans are a very bad example of Sola Scriptura. BTW, the Church at Berea is part of the Eastern Orthodox Church and fully accept Apostolic Tradition.
 
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Good idea. Which one. The Catholic version of Christ, the Lutheran version of Christ, the Arian version of Christ, the Mormon version of Christ, the Jehovah's Witness version of Christ, the Unitarian version of Christ, the Ba'ha'i version of Christ?
Jesus Christ.

IMO, sticking with a denomination isnt a bad thing, but if it can cause further division with the christians who arent in that said denomination, that pushes our separation, as a whole, farther from God. Mark 3:25 "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."
 
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In respnse to Asinner:

How do you know it is?

Since both the EO and RCC claim to be apostolic, their beliefs should be same, shouldn't they? They're not so that would imply that one or none are the apostolic church.

The Orthodox and the Catholics share 1000 years together; however, they also share 1000 years apart. We are both Apostolic.

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As has been described the Ancient Faith i.e. Christianity is found in the Word of God. It doesn't matter if it's being read by a Baptist, Methodist, or Othrodox. What matters is that you take Christ's teachings to heart and follow Him as Lord and Savior.

Truth be told by your thinking the Judahism is the Ancient Faith.

The Holy Scriptures are a record of Truth. They are not the fullness of Truth. Christ alone has this as does His Church, which is His Body, He being the Head.

The Jewish Faith is missing Jesus.

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Jesus Christ.

IMO, sticking with a denomination isnt a bad thing, but if it can cause further division with the christians who arent in that said denomination, that pushes our separation, as a whole, farther from God. Mark 3:25 "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."
Which Jesus Christ?

All of the "versions" I cited were all taught by groups claiming to have arrived at their conclussion from the bible. Are they all correct? At least one of them is wrong. Which one is it? Is it your version? How do you know that your understanding of Jesus is correct?
 
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Which Jesus Christ?

All of the "versions" I cited were all taught by groups claiming to have arrived at their conclussion from the bible. Are they all correct? At least one of them is wrong. Which one is it? Is it your version? How do you know that your understanding of Jesus is correct?
If you know more than one Jesus Christ.. please dont enlighten me. I follow my Bible and thats where one shall know about Him, should they choose to read, learn and understand.
 
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The Greek Orthodox or any other church of that nature does not have the corner on what is valid and what is not.

The Orthodox Church is not limited to the Greeks, Karrie. :)


It smacks of the same attitude some Catholic theologians have about any church that doesn't have the RCC in it's title.

Forgive me if I came across negatively.

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If you know more than one Jesus Christ.. please dont enlighten me. I follow my Bible and thats where one shall know about Him, should they choose to read, learn and understand.
Arius believed that too. He firmly believed that the bible teaches that Christ was a created being that was not co-substantial to the father.

Pelagius believed that we can achieve heaven without Christ, that our own merits could win salvation.

Charles Russell believed that the bible taught that Jesus was really an incarnation of the Archangel Michael, and that He was not crucified on a cross, but impaled on a Greek torture stake.

No offense, but your defense of the use of the bible only to know Christ has holes big enough to drive a Mack Truck through.
 
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And how do we know the EOC/RCC has retained the apostolic teachings. Just because the apostles taught orally doesn't mean that they taught beliefs and practices that aren't found in the Bible.
You start by actually reading what the early Christian leaders wrote and you do not rely on someone else to give you that information or "interpret" what they "really meant". You study it for yourself - it is really not a hard thing to do and is actually pretty fun. You can start by clicking here.
I suggest starting with Justin Martyr or Ignatius. See for yourself what the early church was like.


How did the Bereans check what they were taught was true? They searched the scriptures.
They still do. I encorage you to investigate the Church that the Bereans are still a part of - The Eastern Orthodox Church. Βέρροια is in Northern Greece in the region of Μακεδονία.
 
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The Holy Scriptures are a record of Truth. They are not the fullness of Truth. Christ alone has this as does His Church, which is His Body, He being the Head.

The Jewish Faith is missing Jesus.

Love,
Christina
Why is it that when we discuss the church, you Orthodox seem to be lurking in every forum, trying to convert us?

I'm sorry, but a lot of people claim to have the fulness of truth, Pentecostals with their tongues, Baptists with their immersion, Catholics with their authority structure, SDA's with their OT sabbath, etc.

You may be right about some of our churches not having your fulness, though I somehow doubt it, but we all have the same words of Jesus, and that's where we are all equals. God is fair! None of us is missing the most important words on the planet!
 
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They still do. I encorage you to investigate the Church that the Bereans are still a part of - The Eastern Orthodox Church. Βέρροια is in Northern Greece in the region of Μακεδονία.

Wait a minute. You mean, they're not Southern Baptists? :eek: So who are those guys down the street who call themselves the Berean Baptist Church? :scratch:

:p
 
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Why is it that when we discuss the church, you Orthodox seem to be lurking in every forum, trying to convert us?

I'm sorry, but a lot of people claim to have the fulness of truth, Pentecostals with their tongues, Baptists with their immersion, Catholics with their authority structure, SDA's with their OT sabbath, etc.

You may be right about some of our churches not having your fulness, though I somehow doubt it, but we all have the same words of Jesus, and that's where we are all equals. God is fair! None of us is missing the most important words on the planet!
Everyone has the right to express what they understand the Truth to be. It does not mean anyone is "lurking" and trying to win converts.

I try my best to get people out of my church. I only want to be equally yoked with people who really believe, and aren't just faking it because its a fun social club.
 
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Wait a minute. You mean, they're not Southern Baptists? :eek: So who are those guys down the street who call themselves the Berean Baptist Church? :scratch:

:p
:doh: To really understand the Bereans, you would know that to really be Berean, you would have to accpet BOTH Scripture and Tradition.
 
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Arius believed that too. He firmly believed that the bible teaches that Christ was a created being that was not co-substantial to the father.

Pelagius believed that we can achieve heaven without Christ, that our own merits could win salvation.

Charles Russell believed that the bible taught that Jesus was really an incarnation of the Archangel Michael, and that He was not crucified on a cross, but impaled on a Greek torture stake.

No offense, but your defense of the use of the bible only to know Christ has holes big enough to drive a Mack Truck through.
Did I ever say that the Bible is the only way? Its not. But its where we go to examine ourselves, whether we are in the faith, and prove. 2Cor. 13:5 "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?"
 
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Wait a minute. You mean, they're not Southern Baptists?
Interior of ancient Church in Berea:
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Modern Church in Berea:
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I don't see an American Flag anywhere?!?:scratch:
 
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From what I am seeing you are trying to conform the Word of God to your thinking.

Saying the Bible is God breathed and in the next criteria saying that Genesis is not a literal statement, is bending God's word to fit your ideology.

That is one example that I am pointing to. Each criteria you have is in my view nothing more than bending His precepts to fit what YOU perceive as valid theology.
I beg your pardon? Please don't falsely accuse me. I am not trying to bend Genesis to fit my theories, but to understand Genesis as God intended it to be understood. I am not sure that God intended it to be seen as a literal 7 days 4,000 years ago at all. I believe in creation, and I believe that God created everything, but I am not a PhD in Hebrew, nor a PhD in Biology. As a result, I must plead ignorance as to whether Genesis 1 is literal, majestic prose, analogy, stylized polemic or some other genre of literature. I must also plead ignorance on whether or not carbon dating is faked or really true and a whole host of other biological data which make fundamentalist Christians a laughing stock of real scientists.
 
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