My great great granfather was not a monkey!!!!!

[BeamMeUpScotty]

No theory is ever proven. Even those which have been around for centuries and are the basis for all kinds of scientific advancement aren't what one could consider absolutely proven. The reason for this is obvious. Isaac Newton came up with the basics for general gravitational theory. Even when man was beginning to send rockets into space, much of that same basic theory was being put into practice and found to be accurate. Does that prove the theory? Does it then change from theory to proven fact? No, because later Einstein showed that while Newton's basic ideas were generally accurate, there were still situations, unknown to Newton, wherein some of his observations failed to be true. So theory, no matter how accurate it may prove itself to be against the evidence at any given time, will never become "proven fact", simply because science recognizes that we never have all of the evidence. And with new evidence sometimes comes the necessity of revising theory.

Oh, stop making sense. Mr. Crawford doesn't have time for all this logical mumbo-jumbo. It is the way he says it is, because, well, he says it is. No proof or evidence needed--just look he never provides any and he continues on with his arguments like there's no tomorrow.

 

[Beastt]

Since none of what you say is true it must be as big a lie as the neo-Darwinist lie that African people originated from apes or ape ancestors.

But it is true, John - not that I'm saying you're intentionally lying. But it's pretty clear to most who have actual knowledge about what the theory does and doesn't say that it clearly doesn't say what you, (and Edmond, for that matter), claim that it says. You didn't write the theory, therefore you can't change what it says no matter how hard you might try. It says what it says and you can claim otherwise, but actual sources are available for anyone who wishes to see if you're correct in your claims. And the theory of evolution does nothing to support your claims.

What is perhaps the worst part for you and others who want to make invalid claims about evolution, is that even if we someday find evidence which invalidates evolution, creationism will be no closer to acceptance than it is today. And if there is any sense left among humans, the following creationism enjoys today will do nothing but continue to dwindle.

 

[john crawford]

No...Apes, we have a common ancestor with APES!

Since there is no testable or demonstrable scientific EVIDENCE in support of your claim, it may be assumed that neo-Darwinist race theorists are lying if they say that is a fact.

And my great great grand father wasn't an ape either......Evolution doesn't go that quickly!

The ancestors of African people weren't apes either since there is no EVIDENCE to support neo-Darwinist lies about the origin of African human 'species.'

 

[TheBear]

Message to the children -

This is your brain on religion.

Any questions?

 

[john crawford]

deaf and dumb people can't speak. Do you have some sort of prejudice against disabled people or something?

No, since we already know that all people are human whether they can speak or not. Do you think Neanderthal people could speak or do you have some sort of prejudice against Ice age people and their descendents?

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Since there is no testable or demonstrable scientific EVIDENCE in support of your claim, it may be assumed that neo-Darwinist race theorists are lying if they say that is a fact.

The ancestors of African people weren't apes either since there is no EVIDENCE to support neo-Darwinist lies about the origin of African human 'species.'

To paraphrase from The Princess Bride:

[SPANISH ACCENT]"Evidence"--you keep saying this word. I do not think it means what you think it means.[/SPANISH ACCENT]

 

[john crawford]

We are apes, right now.
And your grandfather was a monkey. So was your father.
Actually, he was. Look it up.
"Monkey" = any member of the sub-order, Haplorhini.
"Ape" = any member of the superfamily, Hominoidea.

Uh, oh. Here comes the self-classified ape. Good thing I'm not a member of his sub-order or superfamily.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

Uh, oh. Here comes the self-classified ape. Good thing I'm not a member of his sub-order or superfamily.

Actually, we're quite glad of that as well. Of course, we are left trying to find a classification for you.

(please don't take this as ad hominem, as tongue is placed firmly in cheek .)

 

[john crawford]

Oh, stop making sense. Mr. Crawford doesn't have time for all this logical mumbo-jumbo. It is the way he says it is, because, well, he says it is. No proof or evidence needed--just look he never provides any and he continues on with his arguments like there's no tomorrow.

I'm certainly glad to hear your guys saying that neo-Darwinist theories of human evolution are not facts.

Now, since it is not a fact that the first African 'species' of humans originated from apes or ape ancestors, it's only a neo-Darwinist racial presumption or theory that they did.

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

I'm certainly glad to hear your guys saying that neo-Darwinist theories of human evolution are not facts.

Now, since it is not a fact that the first African 'species' of humans originated from apes or ape ancestors, it's only a neo-Darwinist racial presumption or theory that they did.

And in his seriousness, he proves my point exactly. Please don't look at that man behind the curtain!!

 

[Aron-Ra]

Uh, oh. Here comes the self-classified ape. Good thing I'm not a member of his sub-order or superfamily.

You are in both of course. And this is easily proved. But there is little point in trying to explain anything to someone determined not to understand.

"Man is the only creature who refuses to be what he is."
--Albert Camus - Winner; Nobel prize for literature, 1957

 

[monkey88]

You are lying if you say that humans in Africa originated from apes or ape ancestors.

You seem to be confused, Neo-Darwinism does state that African people originated from a common ape ancestor but it also states that every other race of human being originated from a the same common ape ancestor.

 

[monkey88]

I'm certainly glad to hear your guys saying that neo-Darwinist theories of human evolution are not facts.

Now, since it is not a fact that the first African 'species' of humans originated from apes or ape ancestors, it's only a neo-Darwinist racial presumption or theory that they did.

This is just a question and nothing is implied but did you finish your compulsory schooling?

 

[john crawford]

But it is true, John - not that I'm saying you're intentionally lying. But it's pretty clear to most who have actual knowledge about what the theory does and doesn't say that it clearly doesn't say what you, (and Edmond, for that matter), claim that it says. You didn't write the theory, therefore you can't change what it says no matter how hard you might try. It says what it says and you can claim otherwise, but actual sources are available for anyone who wishes to see if you're correct in your claims. And the theory of evolution does nothing to support your claims.

Let's go the Human Ancestors Hall at the Smithsonian and see for ourselves what neo-Darwinist racial theories are being pawned off on the public as science.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/a_tree.html

Does the museum at any time point out to an unsuspecting public that their little diagrams showing the first African human 'species' originating from species of apes are merely conjectures based on neo-Darwinist theories of human origins in Africa, or do they present them as the latest scientific facts?

What do you think? Is it a fact that the first African 'species' of human beings originated from hairy African apes (or their ape ancestors, of course) or is it just a racial theory about the origin of African people?

Remember, there is no testable or demonstrable scientific method of proving it one way or the other.

 

[john crawford]

Of course, we are left trying to find a classification for you.

Busy evolutionary biologists and psychologists always find a label to pin on people even if they're dead and their skulls fossilize.

 

[john crawford]

And in his seriousness, he proves my point exactly. Please don't look at that man behind the curtain!!

Did you get beamed up or something?

 

[john crawford]

You are in both of course. And this is easily proved. But there is little point in trying to explain anything to someone determined not to understand.

I understand perfectly. As a matter of fact, I am looking at Chris Stringer's classification of apes used in his latest book and am equally happy to announce that I am not a member of his Hominini tribe of apes either.

 

[john crawford]

You seem to be confused, Neo-Darwinism does state that African people originated from a common ape ancestor but it also states that every other race of human being originated from a the same common ape ancestor.

Not exactly. The latest Out of Africa Model claims that all racial groups today are descended from African Homo sapiens who in turn originally originated from an African Homo erectus 'species.' That's the only way neo-Darwinist race theorists can trace our origins back to the same common ape ancestor which they say directly evolved into the first African human 'species.' (Homo habilis)

Of course, this is only racial theory concerning human origins since none of it can be scientifically tested, demonstrated or ever proven to be factual, even though a lot of people believe in it, religiously, I might add.

 

[john crawford]

This is just a question and nothing is implied but did you finish your compulsory schooling?

No. I hated compulsory education as most Americans do, so I dropped out and went to college instead. Did you go to school?

 

[monkey88]

Not exactly. The latest Out of Africa Model claims that all racial groups today are descended from African Homo sapiens who in turn originally originated from an African Homo erectus 'species.' That's the only way neo-Darwinist race theorists can trace our origins back to the same common ape ancestor which they say directly evolved into the first African human 'species.' (Homo habilis)
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Okay, so you're saying the same thing as I did. I'm sorry, I thought you meant that the neo-darwinist theory stated that the African people were a lower down on the evolutionary scale.