My great great granfather was not a monkey!!!!!

[Jet Black]

No, since we already know that all people are human whether they can speak or not.

then you are going back on what you said:

Normal powers of human speech ought to qualify most humans for unique membership in a Human order and family of primates.

so that means that deaf and dumb people don't qualify then? why do deaf and dumb people "qualify" for being members of the human family?

 

[belladonic-haze]

John, go and learn about the evolution theory, before you start to talk rubbish......don't talk about things you do not know anything about....and then I will discuss it with you again......

 

[Opethian]

It's simple: of course humans are special, just like a cockroach is special, or a sulfur reducing bacteria is special. That's why we're called species, since we are separated by reproducing barriers (in general). But for the rest, there's nothing really special about us humans except for the fact that we are the most destructive species on the planet, the most short-sighted, and we are a bit more intelligent than the other species present on earth ( at least some of us are... ). We also probably have the most advanced form of language on the planet.
As for if we evolved from apes: definitely yes. If you cannot except that, you either A) lack intelligence B) lack knowledge or C) have an excess of vanity.
( A, B en C can complement one another in the most degenerate forms of the human species )

 

[john crawford]

Not exactly. The latest Out of Africa Model claims that all racial groups today are descended from African Homo sapiens who in turn originally originated from an African Homo erectus 'species.' That's the only way neo-Darwinist race theorists can trace our origins back to the same common ape ancestor which they say directly evolved into the first African human 'species.' (Homo habilis)

Okay, so you're saying the same thing as I did. I'm sorry, I thought you meant that the neo-darwinist theory stated that the African people were a lower down on the evolutionary scale.

It all depends whether you think modern people like ourselves are higher or more complex forms of living beings than hairy apes who can't read, write or speak. If you do, then neo-Darwinist race theorists certainly do equate the first African people with lower life forms of primates. Just consider the racist implications in the following pictures of progressive neo-Darwinist racial evolution out of Africa.
http://www.jay-matternes.com/Hominids.html

 

[monkey88]

It all depends whether you think modern people like ourselves are higher or more complex forms of living beings than hairy apes who can't read, write or speak. If you do, then neo-Darwinist race theorists certainly do equate the first African people with lower life forms of primates. Just consider the racist implications in the following pictures of progressive neo-Darwinist racial evolution out of Africa.
http://www.jay-matternes.com/Hominids.html

The key term in what you said there is 'the first African people..." It's not saying that modern african people are primitive, it said the first people who arose in Africa. And the racist implications in those images, I don't see. They depict early humans living how they lived. Unless you're implying that hunter-gatherers are primitive?

 

[john crawford]

then you are going back on what you said:

so that means that deaf and dumb people don't qualify then? why do deaf and dumb people "qualify" for being members of the human family?

That's the sort of illogical conclusion one may come to when quoting out of context, Jet Black. I was talking about neo-Darwinist 'species' of Homos like Neanderthal, Heidelberg and erectus whom are not credited with the ability to speak by most neo-Darwinist race theorists.

What do you think? Were Neanderthal men and women deaf and dumb too?

 

[john crawford]

John, go and learn about the evolution theory, before you start to talk rubbish......don't talk about things you do not know anything about....and then I will discuss it with you again......

All right expert. Teach me something I don't already know about human evolution and maybe I'll take something you say seriously.

 

[john crawford]

As for if we evolved from apes: definitely yes. If you cannot except that, you either A) lack intelligence B) lack knowledge or C) have an excess of vanity. ( A, B en C can complement one another in the most degenerate forms of the human species )

A, B and C may also apply to persons who imagine they evolved from African apes but can't even show or demonstrate, let alone scientifically prove, that African people in Africa did.

 

[monkey88]

A, B and C may also apply to persons who imagine they evolved from African apes but can't even show or demonstrate, let alone scientifically prove, that African people in Africa did.

But you accept that neo-darwinism states that european people evolved from african apes?

 

[john crawford]

The key term in what you said there is 'the first African people..." It's not saying that modern african people are primitive, it said the first people who arose in Africa. And the racist implications in those images, I don't see. They depict early humans living how they lived. Unless you're implying that hunter-gatherers are primitive?

Do a google or wikipedia search for 'primitive humans' or 'primitve species' to get an idea how anthropologists use the term, 'primitive.' It implies early, first or primary.

 

[john crawford]

But you accept that neo-darwinism states that european people evolved from african apes?

Of course neo-Darwinist race theorists STATE that. I don't accept their statement though because it is just a racial theory premised on neo-Darwinist racial presumptions and bigotry.

 

[monkey88]

Of course neo-Darwinist race theorists STATE that. I don't accept their statement though because it is just a racial theory premised on neo-Darwinist racial presumptions and bigotry.

Neo-Darwinism does state that European People did evolve from African Apes but not specifically, it states that Homo Homo Sapians did which encompases all extant human race, African, European, Asian etc. and hence is not racist to any race of people that exist. But yes, neo-darwinism is racist (or rather specieist) to those poor Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalus. I think it's very nice that you have decided to stand up for those poor no-longer existing people.

 

[belladonic-haze]

All right expert. Teach me something I don't already know about human evolution and maybe I'll take something you say seriously.

I would love too, if you took it serious. Tell me, if all humans have the same ancestor (you know our ancestor of course, proconsul) and (we as humans spread out over the whole world) through adaptation we evolved a different fenotypes? Let's say it simple. Eskimos are smaller, more solid build then Europeans, because they live in a cold climate and the body adapted through evolution to safe energy because it is easier to keep warm......what's racist about that?(I know evolution isn't that simple...but we are not all scientists here). You just feel threatened by the fact that you are related to all different types of human beings and to condone your own thoughts and behavior you say evolutionists/Neo-darwinists are racists.......

You wanna learn something. Do this homework

Read;
The Descent of Man or The Origin of Species by Charles Darwin.

Maybe add a bit of Gould literature and Frans de Waal books to your list ....

The Panda's Thumb : More Reflections in Natural History by Stephen Jay Gould

The Structure of Evolutionary Theory by Stephen Jay Gould


Our Inner Ape by Frans de Waal

Tree of Origin : What Primate Behavior Can Tell Us about Human Social Evolution by Frans de Waal

The Ape and the Sushi Master: Cultural Reflections of a Primatologist by Frans de Waal

Animal Social Complexity : Intelligence, Culture, and Individualized SocietiesFrans B.M. De Waal|Peter L. Tyack

 

[BobTheAtheist]

I was just wondering.... if evilutionists are neo-darwinists, does that make chrisitans neo-jews?

 

[belladonic-haze]

I was just wondering.... if evilutionists are neo-darwinists, does that make chrisitans neo-jews?

it's funny but it is very logical as well!!!

what does that make atheists????

 

[Opethian]

I am neo-Satan

although I sometimes refall into my old habits...

...Muahahahahahaahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!... ahum ...

...I don't know where that came from... seriously!

 

[belladonic-haze]

I had no idea neo satan looked so cool!!

 

[BeamMeUpScotty]

I had no idea neo satan looked so cool!!

I wonder if Neo satanists took the red pill?

 

[belladonic-haze]

I wonder if Neo satanists took the red pill?

What is that???

It is probably a saying of sort, but I have no idea what it means....LOL...and I do watch Star Trek!

 

[Oliver]

What is that???

It's a reference to the film "Matrix": Neo, red pills...