My great great granfather was not a monkey!!!!!

[belladonic-haze]

It's a reference to the film "Matrix": Neo, red pills...

MAn...I saw that movie......I really need to do something about my insomnia...it makes my mind go blank!!!

 

[john crawford]

Neo-Darwinism does state that European People did evolve from African Apes but not specifically, it states that Homo Homo Sapians did which encompases all extant human race, African, European, Asian etc. and hence is not racist to any race of people that exist.

There are currently two models of human evolution out of Africa. If you want to know the details, click here. Then we will know if we are talking about the same thing.
[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/faq/encarta/encarta.htm [/font]

But yes, neo-darwinism is racist (or rather specieist) to those poor Homo Erectus, Homo Neanderthalus. I think it's very nice that you have decided to stand up for those poor no-longer existing people.

More than standing up for these so-called 'extinct' racial groups or 'species,' as some prefer to call them, I am detailing how neo-Darwinist 'theories' about our ancestors are inherently racist.

If you also study and become aguainted with the details of these 'theoretical' models of human evolution, you will see the racial assumptions and implications inherent in them regarding racial groups today.

 

[john crawford]

Tell me, if all humans have the same ancestor (you know our ancestor of course, proconsul) and (we as humans spread out over the whole world) through adaptation we evolved a different fenotypes?

From assumptions about proconsul being our ancestor to observations of humans all over the world is a big jump, even for evolutionists. Why do you assume proconsul is our common ancestor?

Let's say it simple. Eskimos are smaller, more solid build then Europeans, because they live in a cold climate and the body adapted through evolution to safe energy because it is easier to keep warm......what's racist about that?

Neo-Darwinists theorize that Europeans and Eskimos both originated in Africa. That's racist.

(I know evolution isn't that simple...but we are not all scientists here).

Don't worry. I'm not a scientist either.

You just feel threatened by the fact that you are related to all different types of human beings and to condone your own thoughts and behavior you say evolutionists/Neo-darwinists are racists.......

That's an assumption on your part since I don't feel threatened by anyone.

Rather than telling me to read some books, why don't we discuss current theories of human evolution? Would you like to start by tracing European and Eskimo ancestry back to great apes in Africa or by discussing how some some descendents of proconsul evolved into the first people in Africa?

 

[belladonic-haze]

From assumptions about proconsul being our ancestor to observations of humans all over the world is a big jump, even for evolutionists. Why do you assume proconsul is our common ancestor?

Well, they are our ancestors from way way back. From there on the primate tree grows and at the moment we have the great Apes (Gorilla, Chimpanzee, Bonobo) and Homo sapiens. They are closely related to each other, genetically.So, I do not assume it....Who is our common ancestor according to you then? There are of course a lot of species that came before proconsul and the cradled of all life lies in the sea, but that is not what we are talking about. We are talking about evolution of men and that is why I started there and not way way earlier...

Neo-Darwinists theorize that Europeans and Eskimos both originated in Africa. That's racist.

Why? What is racist about it? Because we are all equal, we just differ in fenotype? Is that racist...I do not see it....

This is what racism means:
Main Entry: rac·ism
Pronunciation: 'rA-"si-z&m also -"shi-
Function: noun
1 : a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race
2 : racial prejudice or discrimination

We neo darwinists do not seek the differences and say some race is less because they are.....whatever excuse people find to think it....It has nothing to do with where you come from or where your roots as a human being lie....

You should not use words if you do not understand their meaning.....

Don't worry. I'm not a scientist either.

Well, I am.....

That's an assumption on your part since I don't feel threatened by anyone.

Rather than telling me to read some books, why don't we discuss current theories of human evolution? Would you like to start by tracing European and Eskimo ancestry back to great apes in Africa or by discussing how some descendents of proconsul evolved into the first people in Africa?

I just gave an example how humans adapted to their environment, that is why I talked about Eskimos. And how Proconsul evolved further I already know....I did read the book! It might broaden your horizon, reading books written about your so-called racists......

 

[MQTA]

Well, from what I know, my grandfather wasn't a monkey. We have a common ancestor with monkeys. Creationists are right, your grandfather was not a friggin' monkey.

Well, now that you mention it.. just how many generations can you trace back in your own blood line?

The only data I have goes back to the mid 1800s. Anything before that is anyone's guess.

Considering 4.5 BILLION years... 'common' is a long long time ago.

 

[john crawford]

Well, they are our ancestors from way way back.

That's just evolutionist unproven speculation and rhetoric.

From there on the primate tree grows and at the moment we have the great Apes (Gorilla, Chimpanzee, Bonobo) and Homo sapiens.

Those are just phylogenetic drawings indicating homologous biological relationships. No one can prove that any species evolved into another species before it became extinct. Belief in the evolution of one species into another just exists in your mind. You have to imagine it happening in the past because it certainly hasn't happened during the past 10,000 years.

They are closely related to each other, genetically.So, I do not assume it....

Being genetically related to another species does not equal common descent or common ancestry.

Who is our common ancestor according to you then?

Noah, for one.

We are talking about evolution of men and that is why I started there and not way way earlier...

Humans didn't evolve from apes or the ancestors of apes. It's just in your imagination since there is no demonstrable 'scientific' evidence capable of showing that.

This is what racism means:

Racism, racial prejudice and racial discrimination have a lot of meanings. Regarding neo-Darwinist theories of human evolution, it is racially biased, bigoted and discriminatory for the U.S. government to teach theories that Asians and Caucasions orginated from African people. It is also racially biased, bigoted and discriminatory when the government teaches theories about African people originating from apes.

It might broaden your horizon, reading books written about your so-called racists......

I read lots of their books and websites too.
http://www.mnh.si.edu/anthro/humanorigins/ha/primate.html

 

[belladonic-haze]

That's just evolutionist unproven speculation and rhetoric.
Those are just phylogenetic drawings indicating homologous biological relationships. No one can prove that any species evolved into another species before it became extinct. Belief in the evolution of one species into another just exists in your mind. You have to imagine it happening in the past because it certainly hasn't happened during the past 10,000 years.

Being genetically related to another species does not equal common descent or common ancestry.

Noah, for one.

Humans didn't evolve from apes or the ancestors of apes. It's just in your imagination since there is no demonstrable 'scientific' evidence capable of showing that.

Racism, racial prejudice and racial discrimination have a lot of meanings. Regarding neo-Darwinist theories of human evolution, it is racially biased, bigoted and discriminatory for the U.S. government to teach theories that Asians and Caucasions orginated from African people. It is also racially biased, bigoted and discriminatory when the government teaches theories about African people originating from apes.

Too be honest, you scream a lot but don't come with solid prove why it is racist. Why is it so terrible if we have common ancestors? And if we are made by God we have common ancestors too.

According to your believes our ancestors are Adam and Eve. Where was this peaceful paradise God placed them in? And what color did their skin have? White, according to many European artist from the Renaissance? Or black? Or yellow? What color did they have? And where did they live? What place on Earth could be the place to begin? The USA? Asia? Europe? Africa? And does it really matter?

And if Noah is our forefather (cause he was the only one with his little family to survive the great flood)....where did he live? Asia (they are searching for his arc there)? Africa? Europe? the USA?....Where did they land on that mountain. It could have been the Everest, it could have been Kilimanjaro...The man and his bog boat drifted out on the sea....the huge all covering ocean, until some land showed? What color was he? Black, light brown? White? Yellow? What?

So we say the same thing...one ancestor......one little family of people (Homo sapiens) that populated the Earth from one spot......Evolutionist look at it in a scientific way, Christians look at it in a religious way and believe what is written in the bible is the real story.....Muslims have a bit of the same look on things as Christians, yet they say that these "days" could have lasted a lot longer then the days in the present.

Or are you one of the few that believe that Cain is the ancestor for black people? I hope not...that would make you a racist

 

[Edx]

Well, they are.

Well, this will be the last time I reply to you. Because your last comments prove that you can't just be ignorant. But you could be completely out of your mind.

how could you have missed noticing this until now?

 

[Edx]

i wish John wouldnt destroy every thread he posts in.

 

[gluadys]

Being genetically related to another species does not equal common descent or common ancestry.

So what does it mean, given that genes are the carriers of inherited traits?

 

[sirchihuahua]

humans did not come from monkeys other wise there would be monkey people now a days and i don't see monkey men any were ,do you?

 

[MartinM]

humans did not come from monkeys other wise there would be monkey people now a days and i don't see monkey men any were ,do you?

Similarly, I can't be descended from my great-great-great grandfather, or related in any way to his descendants, else my great-great grandfather would be alive today.

 

[Beastt]

humans did not come from monkeys other wise there would be monkey people now a days and i don't see monkey men any were ,do you?

Did you check the Whitehouse?

You have demonstrated that the creationist mythological version of evolution is untrue. Perhaps now it would be worth your time to aquaint yourself with the true theory of evolution.

 

[Aron-Ra]

humans did not come from monkeys other wise there would be monkey people now a days and i don't see monkey men any were ,do you?

Yes. In fact, everyone I have ever met was a monkey, and so are you.

Now here's the really important question. What is a monkey?

 

[john crawford]

Why is it so terrible if we have common ancestors?
And if we are made by God we have common ancestors too.

The difference between biblical genealogies of human ancestry and origins, and neo-Darwinist racial theories concerning them, is that in the former our common ancestors were perfectly human, but in the latter, were only early 'species' of African people which neo-Darwinists say originated from non human African apes.

According to your believes our ancestors are Adam and Eve. Where was this peaceful paradise God placed them in?

No one knows since it was washed away in the great flood and "the world that was, perished," according to St. Peter.

And what color did their skin have? White, according to many European artist from the Renaissance? Or black? Or yellow? What color did they have? And where did they live?

No one knows for certain.

What place on Earth could be the place to begin? The USA? Asia? Europe? Africa? And does it really matter?

It is essential for neo-Darwinist race theorists to begin in Africa because they assume that human beings first originated from apes there. That's why they are racially forced to claim that the first 'species' of humans evolved from non-human apes in Africa.

And if Noah is our forefather (cause he was the only one with his little family to survive the great flood)....where did he live? Asia (they are searching for his arc there)? Africa? Europe? the USA?....Where did they land on that mountain. It could have been the Everest, it could have been Kilimanjaro...The man and his bog boat drifted out on the sea....the huge all covering ocean, until some land showed?

According to the Bible, Noah's family disembarked from the Ark on Mt. Ararat in the Caucasus Mountains of what is now Eastern Turkey.

What color was he? Black, light brown? White? Yellow? What?

No one knows, although the Bible says that the origianl nations were all descended from Noah's three sons and their wives.

So we say the same thing...one ancestor......one little family of people (Homo sapiens) that populated the Earth from one spot......

Three large families descended from Adam and Eve are not "the same thing" as one "little'' African family which neo-Darwinist race theorists claim originated from australopithicine apes at all. How could three distinct racial groups within our species today have evolved from one "little" African family?

Evolutionist look at it in a scientific way,

No they don't. They just say they do. Neo-Darwinist racial theories of human ancestry and origins in Africa are as religious as any other religious genealogies or family trees.

Or are you one of the few that believe that Cain is the ancestor for black people? I hope not...that would make you a racist

Noah's son, Ham is the ancestor of several African nations. His son, Cannan, was cursed by God, and was the ancestor of the Cannanites who lived in Cannan. Cain was Adam and Eve's first son who killed Abel.

 

[john crawford]

how could you have missed noticing this until now?

Obviously, he's not as good a psychologist or psychiatrist as you think you are.

 

[john crawford]

i wish John wouldnt destroy every thread he posts in.

I don't destroy any threads. Rather do I destroy neo-Darwinist racial arguments which pretend to prove that African people originated from australopithicine apes or their non-human ancestors.

 

[john crawford]

So what does it mean, given that genes are the carriers of inherited traits?

It simply means that each succeeding generation of a species inherits common traits of that specie's ancestors.

 

[john crawford]

humans did not come from monkeys other wise there would be monkey people now a days and i don't see monkey men any were ,do you?

Evolutionists claim that all the African ape-man species are extinct nowadays in order to make monkeys out of us all.

 

[john crawford]

Yes. In fact, everyone I have ever met was a monkey, and so are you.

Now here's the really important question. What is a monkey?

How's a monkey to know what a monkey is or even that it is a monkey, if it is not a trained neo-Darwinist monkey theorist who assumes that other people are monkeys too?