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My First Topic

Discussion in 'Whosoever Will, May Come - Liberal' started by mysterychristian, Feb 11, 2008.

  1. Im_A

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    i did for nearly 12 years. raed a book, believe it, because of what it states...because it states it is from God. i could do that with The Koran or any other religious book.

    you've given absolutely no reason to believe the Bible is the BOOK. all you've done is stated it is and that within itself isn't enough proof, or even reliable evidence just because some human says it is the book of God (including the humans that wrote it.)
     
  2. Adammi

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    No, I don't understand what you mean at all. Different people define ALL of the Bible differently. I'm trying to figure out which ALL you are talking about. Roman Catholics, some Anglicans, and the Eastern Orthodox include the Deuterocanon in their Bibles making them have 72 or sometimes 72+ books in their Bibles. That's six books or more than most Protestants hold to. And also, you are referring to what Paul said as if he was talking about the leather bound KJV lying on his tv. He had no such thing. The Bible as we see it was not finalized until just 500 years ago.When Paul said "scripture" the idea of the "Bible" was completely foreign to him.
     
  3. Crazy Liz

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    Maybe because the Bible as we now know it didn't exist when those words were written?

    What the author had in mind had to be something different from what you have in mind.

    So I think it is a legitimate question to ask what the author had in mind, and why a modern reader should interpret the word "scripture" to apply to a different set of writings.

    Have you ever wondered about that?
     
  4. Crazy Liz

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    Would you like to be part of our little WWMC community?

    If so, tell me how you see your last paragraph in this post relating to your first paragraph?

    IOW, how does your attitude expressed in the last paragraph stack up against the attitude of meekness you asked of us in the first paragraph?

    WWMC is a forum where we are accustomed to mutual respect. I guess my question to you is how mutuality fits into your scheme of how things are supposed to be? Are you interested in listening to us, and not just in teaching us?
     
  5. LovebirdsFlying

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    So you're "trying to show us what we're doing wrong," as you did with your nephew. That's what I figured. You, and you alone, know the Word of God. The rest of us are in error, and since we cannot read and study for ourselves, instead we need you, in particular, to come in and set us straight about what God's Word REALLY says.

    I've been to Bible college, sir. I have no need of a self-proclaimed teacher who initially offered "discussion" which instead quickly downgrades into "I know, and you don't."

    Do not even TRY to suggest that by saying this, I am rejecting the Word of God.

    Now... am I finding another candidate for my Ignore list, or are we going to discuss on equal footing, rather than having someone assume superiority?
     
  6. mysterychristian

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    Dude whatever, you would probably argue with me about how many angels could dance on the head of a pin.

    You are wasting my time, I thought so from the beggining but I figured I would give you the benifit of the doubt, but now I see you do not speak my language, plain simple english, you want to dance around the subject and debate about the word ALL, if we ever get past that word we would probably spend the next week arguing about another word.

    So I will end my conversation with you at this point because it is impossible to teach someone who is like you are. Not meek, tricky and baiting, trying to start some egotistical word wrangling games.
     
  7. LovebirdsFlying

    LovebirdsFlying My husband drew this cartoon of me. Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    I don't think Adammi is the only one in need of a lesson in meekness. :bow:

    Mystery, you're making it pretty plain that people either play by your rules or don't play at all. Anything further from me would probably cross the line into flaming, but please know that I am seriously restraining myself from saying all I'd really like to say.
     
  8. mysterychristian

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    Mutual respect, I am not disrespecting anyone, just because I wanted to share some word with you all and you all wont listen to it, I am being disrespectful?

    DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE SOMEONE SOMEWHERE HAS THE ALL TRUTH AND KNOWS IT?

    The bible says ALL TRUTH is available, just because you all do not know it, does that make me saying I HAVE IT and want to share it wrong?:scratch:

    This is just like what they did to Jesus Christ they crucified him because he told them the truth and most of them hated him and turned on him for it.:scratch:


    If Jesus Christ were to get on the computer right now and start to type in these forums he would be hated just as much now as he was then because he would do nothing but speak God's word and no one believes God's Word anymore, only what they want to believe, if it doesnt fit with their logic they dont acccept it and reject it.

    The same thing happened to Paul the people he loved and spoke the word to turned on him for speaking the truth because they didnt want it.

    Lets me ask you a question? If for example someone understood the ALL TRUTH how would you want them to share it with you? Would you let them? Or would you think they were nuts because they made such a BOLD statement.
     
  9. mysterychristian

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    Please define MEEKNESS?
     
  10. mysterychristian

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    If you know so much of the Bible teach me about how to OPERATE the power of God, and do miracles? How to heal someone? Can you heal the broken hearted? Do you know how to receive Revelation from God? Teach me the main principles on How to rightly divide the Word of Truth?
     
  11. mysterychristian

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    If A rock got up and spoke the word to you you wouldnt believe it because of where it came from? what does it matter where TRUTH comes from, thats the problem with people today , they are to much into the speaker in stead of whats being spoken...
     
  12. LovebirdsFlying

    LovebirdsFlying My husband drew this cartoon of me. Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Mysterychristian, I am not going to teach you anything.
    And do you HONESTLY think...

    ...

    (struggle)

    Restraint, restraint, restraint.....
     
  13. DeanM

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    Okay. You've paralleled yourself with Jesus enough for my taste.

    And to answer your question, if somebody understood ALL TRUTH, I'd expect them to know what the Deuterocanon is.
     
  14. Crazy Liz

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    Let me see if I can rephrase. This can't be what you really mean, but this is how it sounds to us:

    You have all the truth and you know it. We need to be meek and listen to you while you do not listen to us.

    ........

    Respect around here means not only being polite, but also listening. Your post #46 to Adammi was not even very polite. You made no effort to understand what he was talking about. You never asked him. You have the idea in your head that the definition of ALL was the crux of your argument. However, if you would please read my post #43, you would see that what the author of 1 Timothy had in mind by the phrase "all scripture" does not appear on its face to mean the 66 books bound between leather covers in your house. How do you get from what the author meant by that phrase to what you mean by the same phrase? And if you are not interested in understanding what the author meant by it, what other basis are you using to interpret the phrase?

    I'm asking you some questions. Perhaps the questions we in WWMC tend to ask are not the ones you think we should ask. Are you interested in engaging with our questions?

    I think engaging the questions of a community is part of seeking to join that community. Do you want to join, or at least engage with, the WWMC community? We'd love to engage in discussion with you.

    Or do you want to teach us something? When missionaries go to a new community to teach, they usually make an effort to learn that community's language and culture, rather than saying the community's language and culture is bad and telling them to speak the missionary's language or stop wasting my time.

    We're willing to engage in discussion with you, but we expect those who come here to engage us in discussion actually do engage with us, and listen as well as "teach."
     
  15. Crazy Liz

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    You think the power of God is something we can operate and control?

    That's a new idea to us around here.
     
  16. mysterychristian

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    That is for sure, it least the term is not.

    You mean as a Christian we are not to say that we can be like him, the word says we are to FOLLOW him and IIMITATE him. It aslo says we can do the same WORKS that he did, have you ever read that?
     
  17. LovebirdsFlying

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    Aaah. So I'm not a true Christian, and you are.

    Reported for flaming and baiting. I'll ask the mods to take it from here.
     
  18. mysterychristian

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    You must not know your bible very well but it says that we have the power of God in us and we are to work the works of Jesus Christ, we are to operate that same power he did. The apostles operated it and the first century Christians operated great power, they raised poeple from the dead, they healed people, havent you ever read any of that?
     
  19. DeanM

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    To toss around a phrase like "ALL TRUTH" and then place limits on what it would encompass is an interesting idea.

    Perhaps you might consider putting an asterisk after that phrase and then placing a short list of exceptions at the end of your post.

    Or, you could offer a new definition of "ALL" or "TRUTH" so that it better fits into your "teaching."
     
  20. DeanM

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    I've never reported anyone in my life, but I'll second this.

    Chin up, LoveBirdsFlying. You're among friends who support you.
     
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