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MY favorite arguments for the existence of the Christian God:

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You did not "organize this knowledge" in the "form of testable explanations that makes predictions".

You just made your observation and you stopped.

What do you mean I did not organize it, lol? Organize it your own self, and give it a test if you like. I guess I gave you way too much credit.

Oh and I'll make the "prediction" of the outcome if you promise to test it, if you need me to organize the test for you and show you how it's testable, be happy to hold your hand.

Funny how now I have to present it in such a way for it to be called science at all. Or...wait...do I really? Where in the rules does it say I have to meet your demands that you "said" I did not meet, in order for it to be termed as science?
 
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What exactly are you replying too? I think you're little lost there..no pun intended. :)
I understand your confusion, as you've set out to erect a motley straw man over the last several pages, obvious to the rest of us, that you're desperately attempting to find some justification for your beliefs. Unfortunately, we're not the fly in the ointment, as you suggest, but rather your argument is with your beliefs, and that deep down nagging voice in your brain that informs you that your beliefs don't comport with reality. I read a book several years back that reminds me of where you are. The title is Deep Survival, Who Lives & Dies, and Why, by Lawrence Gonzales. One of the hallmarks of those who survived disastrous situations, were people who had the ability to accept reality and the situation that they found themselves in. Belief in deities and superstitions did nothing to improve their chances of survival. I hope that you will, at some point in your journey, decide to accept things as they are. You won't be disappointed.
 
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You're the one claiming that people have made such claims.
I'm asking you to demonstrate that claim by pointing to posts where this was said.

Can you? If you can't, what is the conclusion I should be drawing concerning that claim of yours?

Now you have switched back to "people" in general and not people here like you claimed I said to begin with? Until you can stop hopping around, changing the meaning of my posts so you can say I'm wrong, then changing it back again when caught, your just going to have to settle with my answering little or nothing of what you post towards me.

As for this, tell you what, you just assume nothing I claimed there was correct, pat yourself on the back and go on pretending you actually believe that. Once you stop pretending, and trying to waste my time, then maybe we can take up were we left off. Until then, not going to waste my time with your contrary little games that contribute nothing to the subject.
 
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I understand your confusion, as you've set out to erect a motley straw man over the last several pages, obvious to the rest of us, that you're desperately attempting to find some justification for your beliefs. Unfortunately, we're not the fly in the ointment, as you suggest, but rather your argument is with your beliefs, and that deep down nagging voice in your brain that informs you that your beliefs don't comport with reality. I read a book several years back that reminds me of where you are. The title is Deep Survival, Who Lives & Dies, and Why, by Lawrence Gonzales. One of the hallmarks of those who survived disastrous situations, were people who had the ability to accept reality and the situation that they found themselves in. Belief in deities and superstitions did nothing to improve their chances of survival. I hope that you will, at some point in your journey, decide to accept things as they are. You won't be disappointed.

Dude, you are off somewhere else, all that has nothing to do with the subject that you swayed from.

If you don't want to answer the question, that's fine, but there is no need in all that.
 
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Dude, you are off somewhere else, all that has nothing to do with the subject that you swayed from.

If you don't want to answer the question, that's fine, but there is no need in all that.
Asked & answered.
 
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Not even remotely. Your beliefs impair your judgement and rationale.

If you didn't remotley evade the question, can you please point me to where you answered? Seems a reasonable request to me anyway.
 
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I accept theories as facts. What more need you know?

An answer to my original question, where do you think it all came from?

But that's ok, what's a bit more contrariness in the scheme of things here. You may pretend "theories" is an answer if you like, just thought you'd like to take a stand with what you believe, since I have, and especially since you say there is no God.
 
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...sigh... your question.

OK, lets just clear it up, pretty simple to show me what question you are referring to, I mean I have asked a few here, and I have also asked you already, what you are replying to, so let's straighten it out here and now...fair enough.

Show me the question you were replying to, it's not that tough to do.
 
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An answer to my original question, where do you think it all came from?
I don't know, and neither do you. Maybe it's always existed, maybe we have a "universe from nothing." We may never know, and I'm okay with that.

But that's ok, what's a bit more contrariness in the scheme of things here. You may pretend "theories" is an answer if you like, just thought you'd like to take a stand with what you believe, since I have, and especially since you say there is no God.
I never said there is no God. (part of your straw man, remeber)

I don't know if it exists or not, and neither do you.

However, I don't believe in one.

As for science, I accept the theories.
 
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I see, you won't show me the question now, the one you clearly refereed to, until I called you on it. Because to show it now now, will show you truly did not address it..

All that waste of time just to hide that fact...amazing.
 
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I don't know if it exists or not, and neither do you.

I'm satisfied he does, it's the only thing that makes any logical sense.

I tried to get out of you what made logical sense for our beginnings but you wouldn't have it, so apparently you have no better explanation...what other conclusion can I draw.
 
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I see, you won't show me the question now, the one you clearly refereed to, until I called you on it. Because to show it now now, will show you truly did not address it..

All that waste of time just to hide that fact...amazing.
What are you even going on about? lol
 
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I'm satisfied he does,
Ok. People reach satisfying beliefs all the time. It's why we have tens of thousands of religions and belief systems since recorded history. Millions of people making claims, and they all know they're right. Everyone emotionally satisfied.
it's the only thing that makes any logical sense.
Appealing to a bigger mystery to solve a mystery is intellectually dishonest and the opposite of logical.
I tried to get out of you what made logical sense for our beginnings but you wouldn't have it,
I'm not beholden to any system of belief... it's a non-starter for me. I accept what the current theories have observed. I don't have a compelling need to add a supernatural component to the mystery. It is what it is, and I'm at peace with this.
so apparently you have no better explanation...what other conclusion can I draw.
The best explanation is the most parsimonious one. I have no horse in this race, save what comports with objective, observed reality.
 
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