My experience...Ken Ham and YEC.

[Archaeopteryx]

How does Creationism (whatever that is) and those who deny climate change parallel those imaginary people in your scenario?

How does Creationism parallel the belief that epilepsy is caused by demonic spirits? Hmmm, I'm not quite sure...

 

[Oncedeceived]

How does Creationism parallel the belief that epilepsy is caused by demonic spirits? Hmmm, I'm not quite sure...

Neither am I. I don't see the parallel.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Neither am I. I don't see the parallel.

I guess there isn't any parallel then between Creationism, which posits a supernatural cause for the origin of species or special "kinds," and the belief that seizures are generated by demonic forces. I really can't put my finger on how they are alike.

 

[Oncedeceived]

I guess there isn't any parallel then between Creationism, which posits a supernatural cause for the origin of species or special "kinds," and the belief that seizures are generated by demonic forces. I really can't put my finger on how they are alike.

I know that there are a multitude of people who hold certain beliefs and I know that Christian Scientists have beliefs akin to this but as a whole Creationists belief that God created the universe. There are many facets that go along with that and perhaps even some of those might have a belief as such but it is far from a characteristic belief of Creationists.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I know that there are a multitude of people who hold certain beliefs and I know that Christian Scientists have beliefs akin to this but as a whole Creationists belief that God created the universe. There are many facets that go along with that and perhaps even some of those might have a belief as such but it is far from a characteristic belief of Creationists.

Yes, that is a fair point. What I was trying to hint at though was that prominent Creationist groups, through their political influence, do actually impact the careers of scientists, contrary to mark's objection. Should that influence be widened, the impact would be more substantial.

 

[Loudmouth]

I know that there are a multitude of people who hold certain beliefs and I know that Christian Scientists have beliefs akin to this but as a whole Creationists belief that God created the universe.

cre·a·tion·ism
noun \-shə-ˌni-zəm\

: the belief that God created all things out of nothing as described in the Bible and that therefore the theory of evolution is incorrect


cre·a·tion·ist noun or adjective


See creationism defined for English-language learners
Creationism - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary​

There are christians who are not creationists.

 

[EternalDragon]

My research is in the epilepsy field. What could potentially threaten my embryonic career in this field? Imagine that a large proportion of the public believed that epilepsy was caused by demonic spirits, and that the most preferable treatment for this condition was not medication or surgery but the incantation of a witch doctor. Imagine further that these people organised themselves into well-financed groups whose members succeeded in occupying strategic positions at all levels of government. From there, they exert their influence on research funding, ensuring that no grant proposal of mine ever receives funding. They have members on ethics boards, ensuring that all my proposed studies fail to pass ethical review for spurious reasons. Their toxic influence pervades the science curriculum too, where they push their antiquated and erroneous views into classrooms all around the country, giving them the opportunity to malign legitimate research wherever their textbooks are read. It is this sort of situation that threatens the careers of scientists everywhere.

What I was referencing was scientific assumptions about what happened in the past and common ancestry ideas. Much different than operational science in the here and now which you study.

 

[Dizredux]

What I was referencing was scientific assumptions about what happened in the past and common ancestry ideas. Much different than operational science in the here and now which you study.

Beyond literature based research and similar activities, almost all scientific work is done in the here and now and even the reading activities could be considered that way. All working science is operational in nature.

Hovind and Ham might like to separate them but since they don't even try to do science, their opinions on this are considered to be worthless.

Dizredux

 

[Split Rock]

What I was referencing was scientific assumptions about what happened in the past and common ancestry ideas. Much different than operational science in the here and now which you study.

There
Is
No
Such
Thing
As
OPERATIONAL
Science.

Show me a course taught at the college level on "operational science," (outside of military science, which, by the way, has nothing to due with the fake definition created by professional lying creationists).

Inferences from physical evidence and observation are not 'assumptions." I don't know how many times I have tried to correct your fallacies concerning this subject.

 

[Loudmouth]

What I was referencing was scientific assumptions about what happened in the past and common ancestry ideas.

Then reference them. Show us how they are assumptions.

Much different than operational science in the here and now which you study.

We study the genomes found here and now to determine if species share a common ancestor. We study fossils in the here and now to determine if species share a common ancestor.

 

[CabVet]

What I was referencing was scientific assumptions about what happened in the past and common ancestry ideas. Much different than operational science in the here and now which you study.

There are no assumptions about what happened in the past, there are only hypotheses, and those hypotheses are either supported by evidence or not.

You seem to not know what an assumption is. Here, I will give you one: "God exists". That's an assumption.

 

[ChetSinger]

There
Is
No
Such
Thing
As
OPERATIONAL
Science.

Well, there is, kind of. In physics there are distinctions drawn between experimental and theoretical physicists. Many choose careers in one path or the other. My chief hobby is acoustics and in it I'm an experimental physicist. I do mostly measurements and verifications, using the theories of others.

 

[lasthero]

What I was referencing was scientific assumptions about what happened in the past and common ancestry ideas. Much different than operational science in the here and now which you study.

Hey. ED.

Did God make the impact craters?

 

[CabVet]

Well, there is, kind of. In physics there are distinctions drawn between experimental and theoretical physicists. Many choose careers in one path or the other. My chief hobby is acoustics and in it I'm an experimental physicist. I do mostly measurements and verifications, using the theories of others.

Neither experimental nor theoretical science correspond to this "operational" science that ED speaks of.

 

[Loudmouth]

Well, there is, kind of. In physics there are distinctions drawn between experimental and theoretical physicists. Many choose careers in one path or the other. My chief hobby is acoustics and in it I'm an experimental physicist. I do mostly measurements and verifications, using the theories of others.

In both cases, you are using measurements to test hypotheses. The same for evolution. You use measurements of genomes and fossils to test the hypothesis that species share a common ancestor, and evolved from that common ancestor.

 

[EternalDragon]

Hey. ED.

Did God make the impact craters?

No, they fell from the sky. You can read about a recent one here that was witnessed by many people and didn't kill anyone but was 200,000 lbs. and left an 85 ft impact crater. Particles were strewn around from it partially breaking up in the atmosphere.

Sikhote-Alin meteorite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is a smaller, recent impact:

Chelyabinsk meteor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact, there is a very long list of observed falls/impacts here:

Meteorite fall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[lasthero]

No, they fell from the sky. You can read about a recent one here that was witnessed by many people and didn't kill anyone but was 200,000 lbs. and left an 85 ft impact crater. Particles were strewn around from it partially breaking up in the atmosphere.

Sikhote-Alin meteorite - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is a smaller, recent impact:

Chelyabinsk meteor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In fact, there is a very long list of observed falls/impacts here:

Meteorite fall - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can't be this dense. I explained this the last time, you can't be serious.

Some of the impact craters on this planet are HUNDREDS OF MILES WIDE. Think about. You're talking about one that's 85 feet.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

What I was referencing was scientific assumptions about what happened in the past and common ancestry ideas. Much different than operational science in the here and now which you study.

No, it's not different at all. Ham's distinction between historical and observational science is bogus.

 

[Loudmouth]

No, they fell from the sky. You can read about a recent one here that was witnessed by many people and didn't kill anyone but was 200,000 lbs. and left an 85 ft impact crater.

What about the one that is 110 miles across, the Chicxulub crater. That isn't even the biggest one. If all of those craters were created in the last 6,000 years, there wouldn't be any life. Also, people would have noticed massive impacts happening almost every decade. The year long winters with no sun would have been pretty obvious. No such records exist.

 

[Mr Strawberry]

What about the one that is 110 miles across, the Chicxulub crater. That isn't even the biggest one. If all of those craters were created in the last 6,000 years, there wouldn't be any life. Also, people would have noticed massive impacts happening almost every decade. The year long winters with no sun would have been pretty obvious. No such records exist.

Something of an omission from the bible as well.