My experience...Ken Ham and YEC.

[Split Rock]

The evidence indicates it impacted water and that it created huge tsunamis. Yet you say there is no evidence of flooding. Pure nonsense.

Straw man. He never said there is no evidence of flooding in the geological record. There is... but not for a large global flood.

 

[Loudmouth]

I highly doubt anyone here can tell me without a doubt when such impacts happened and what happened when they did impact or what exactly was here to have been killed by such impacts.

I highly doubt that you would even consider the evidence because your mind is already made up.

Am I right?

All you have are assumptions.

Either show us what these assumptions are, or admit that you are just making it up.

If I may correct you, the moon and other planets don't have the protective atmosphere that earth does so get many more impacts. The earth does not show thousands and thousands of impacts.

Please, show us why tektites, shocked quartz, and craters 50 km across are not evidence for meteor impacts.

 

[EternalDragon]

Such an impact would have a rather adverse effect on aquatic life, too. Sudden and drastic changes in temperature can be devastating to marine environments. Also, you ever hear of acid rain?

In other words, these meteor impacts are a huge problem and setback for the evolution theory more than for the history stated in the bible. That's a very good point.

 

[Loudmouth]

In other words, these meteor impacts are a huge problem and setback for the evolution theory more than for the history stated in the bible. That's a very good point.

How are they a problem?

 

[TLK Valentine]

In other words, these meteor impacts are a huge problem and setback for the evolution theory more than for the history stated in the bible. That's a very good point.

You're not even trying, are you?

 

[EternalDragon]

How are they a problem?

If it isn't a problem for evolution theory then it isn't a problem for biblical history either.

I thought everyone keeps saying life on the planet would have been severely devastated. Is that true or not? No one is even saying what really happened. Just what "could have" happened in computer models.

 

[lasthero]

In other words, these meteor impacts are a huge problem and setback for the evolution theory more than for the history stated in the bible. That's a very good point.

Nope. If the world is billions of years old and the planet gets hit with a meteor every few millions of so years, that's hardly a problem. One meteor every few millions years is hardly enough to cause irreversible damage, especially when the planet has so long to recover after every hit.

If you shrink the span down to the point where these impacts all occur with a small time frame, though, that's a problem. It's the difference between Mike Tyson punching you once a year and actually trying to survive in the ring with him. Most people could probably take the former, as painful as it would be. Not the latter.

And I like how you ignore how the Bible mentions absolutely nothing about these impacts. Among other questions..

 

[Loudmouth]

If it isn't a problem for evolution theory then it isn't a problem for biblical history either.

Since evolutionary theory incorporates several extinction events over the last 1 billion years, it isn't a problem. Are you saying that the Bible also supports the evolution of modern life over billions of years and multiple extinction events with millions of years separating them?

I thought everyone keeps saying life on the planet would have been severely devastated. Is that true or not?

Life on the planet was severely devasted on multiple occasions. The Permian/Triassic extinction was one of the worst where nearly 95% of all animal and plant species died off. This is with massive natural disasters spread over hundreds of millions of years. You want to compress these disasters into 4,000 years. That's a load of baloney.

No one is even saying what really happened. Just what "could have" happened in computer models.

What really happened is that these meteor impacts were spread over hundreds of millions of years, and it affected how life evolved.

 

[lasthero]

If it isn't a problem for evolution theory then it isn't a problem for biblical history either.

So, the Bible, which you've been known to call a history book, missed all of these impacts....

...and that doesn't strike you as a little odd?

I thought everyone keeps saying life on the planet would have been severely devastated.

If all these impacts occurred over a short span of time, which creationists insist, since they maintain that the earth is about 6,000 years old. If they happened over a long period of time with millions of years between each one, it's hardly anything the earth can't recover from.

Is that true or not? No one is even saying what really happened. Just what "could have" happened in computer models.

Again, what's wrong with using computer models?

 

[EternalDragon]

Since evolutionary theory incorporates several extinction events over the last 1 billion years, it isn't a problem. Are you saying that the Bible also supports the evolution of modern life over billions of years and multiple extinction events with millions of years separating them?

Life on the planet was severely devasted on multiple occasions. The Permian/Triassic extinction was one of the worst where nearly 95% of all animal and plant species died off. This is with massive natural disasters spread over hundreds of millions of years. You want to compress these disasters into 4,000 years. That's a load of baloney.

What really happened is that these meteor impacts were spread over hundreds of millions of years, and it affected how life evolved.

Are you saying evolution works if 95% of life died off? That it works much faster than it is said to work? You are confusing one major extinction event (the flood) with many. Life was devastated once over the course of a year.

Genesis 7:11

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

 

[lasthero]

Are you saying evolution works if 95% of life died off? That it works much faster than it is said to work? You are confusing one major extinction event (the flood) with many. Life was devastated once over the course of a year.

Just to clarify, are you suggesting that all the impacts occurred in the same year, right at the time of the flood?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Are you saying evolution works if 95% of life died off?

Of course. Did you think it wouldn't?

That it works much faster than it is said to work?

Said by whom?

You are confusing one major extinction event (the flood) with many. Life was devastated once over the course of a year.

Actually, it was devastated 5 times over the course of billions of years -- arguably, it's in the process of being devastated a sixth time as we speak.

And therein lies the confusion -- you're confusing the one event which didn't happen (the Flood) with the five that did.

Genesis 7:11

In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.

That's adorable. Doesn't match up with reality, however.

 

[lasthero]

Just to go over some of the MANY questions you've ignored, ED.

-You've yet to explain what you think 'assumption' and 'inference' mean.

-You've yet to provide any support for you claim that the same meteor that 'killed the dinosaurs' started an ice age. You've yet to provide any climate model that supports, this, either. As near as I can tell, you fished this 'short ice age' thing right out of you-know-where.

-You've yet to explain why all these impacts happened in such a small time frame when they clearly haven't happen with such frequency in modern history.

-You've yet to explain how a meteor could create global flooding for a year, and why this account is completely inconsistent with the Biblical account, which mentions nothing of massive tsunamis or meteor showers.

-In fact, you've yet to explain why the BIble - which you love to call an eyewitness account of history and treat as the only reliable way to know anything about the past - completely neglects to mention what would have been the most striking in human history, if humans had even been able to survive it.

And that's just off the top of my head.

 

[RickG]

The evidence indicates it impacted water and that it created huge tsunamis.

It impacted both water and land.

Yet you say there is no evidence of flooding. Pure nonsense.

Then by all means, please point out the global-wide flood layer produced by tsunamis. And just to help you out a bit, look at the picture below so you can see what a tsunami leaves when it retreats. And oh yes! Please explain how a tsunami continued for an entire year.

 

[EternalDragon]

It impacted both water and land.

Then by all means, please point out the global-wide flood layer produced by tsunamis. And just to help you out a bit, look at the picture below so you can see what a tsunami leaves when it retreats. And oh yes! Please explain how a tsunami continued for an entire year.

No one ever claimed a tsunami lasted an entire year. If you want to continue with this sort of nonsense, you can converse with someone else as it is detracting from intelligent discussion. (Perhaps Lasthero said something along those lines but I did not.)

 

[Split Rock]

If it isn't a problem for evolution theory then it isn't a problem for biblical history either.

Why is that? The problem is fitting everything into a 6,000 year timeframe. You indicated, however, that perhaps you don't require such a timeframe... is that correct?

Are you saying evolution works if 95% of life died off? That it works much faster than it is said to work?

Yes, it works if 95% of animal and plant species are wiped out. In fact, such events lead to adaptive radiation, since it opens up many ecological niches that were occupied previously. Examples include mammals replacing dinosaurs after the K-T event and dinosaurs replacing mammal-like reptiles after the Permian-Triassic event.

You are confusing one major extinction event (the flood) with many. Life was devastated once over the course of a year.

Nonsense. There is no such event recorded in the geological record.

 

[Loudmouth]

Are you saying evolution works if 95% of life died off?

Yes. Why wouldn' it? We wouldn't see nearly the same mammalian diversity if dinosaurs had not died off 65 million years ago. Extinction events open up a ton of new niches, and that encourages the evolution of diversity.

That it works much faster than it is said to work?

Please substantiate your accusation.

You are confusing one major extinction event (the flood) with many. Life was devastated once over the course of a year.

Yet another claim without any evidence from you.

Please show us the scientific dating methodologies that you used to reach the conclusion that these extinction events were all one extinction event. Why can't I find a single bison or any modern mammal in the P/T extinction event?

 

[Loudmouth]

No one ever claimed a tsunami lasted an entire year. If you want to continue with this sort of nonsense, you can converse with someone else as it is detracting from intelligent discussion. (Perhaps Lasthero said something along those lines but I did not.)

You claimed that there was a global flood, and yet you have and and can not provide a single piece of evidence to back it up.

 

[EternalDragon]

Why is that? The problem is fitting everything into a 6,000 year timeframe. You indicated, however, that perhaps you don't require such a timeframe... is that correct?[/quot]

I don't think I stipulated a time frame.

Yes, it works if 95% of animal and plant species are wiped out. In fact, such events lead to adaptive radiation, since it opens up many ecological niches that were occupied previously. Examples include mammals replacing dinosaurs after the K-T event and dinosaurs replacing mammal-like reptiles after the Permian-Triassic event.

Animals surviving a catastrophe is not evolution.

The only replacing going on is what walked off the ark.

Nonsense. There is no such event recorded in the geological record.

We do have a fossil record of very quick deaths of millions of animals and fish.....don't we?

 

[TLK Valentine]

I don't think I stipulated a time frame.

Why don't you stipulate one now, then? Do you think this all happened within the last 6,000 years, or not?

If not, what's your best guess?

Animals surviving a catastrophe is not evolution.

Actually, it sort of is -- animals have to adapt to changes brought on by that catastrophe; if they don't, they don't survive.

The only replacing going on is what walked off the ark.

Evidence, please?

We do have a fossil record of very quick deaths of millions of animals and fish.....don't we?

Where?