My ExDeo Challenge

[KWCrazy]

Genesis would suggest ex Deo. The specific reasons for this would be as follows.

The physical nature of the matter of the universe holds that matter and energy are convertible. Therefore it is consistent that from the abundant energy of God He created the universe as an extension of his own energy. Likewise, he would later create man in His own image.

Since the creation week took six days and in that time all that was made was made by God, it would stand to to reason there would be an incomprehensible transference of energy. Such an use of energy could be enough to make God want to rest afterward; thus explaining the creation of the Sabbath and the designation of the day of rest after a week of labor.

Genesis two explains, "By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done." It doesn't say that God was exhausted or that He had to rest, but that He chose to rest.

At this time He hadn't yet created Eve, so he could leisurely take a day and rest; creating nothing and not doing much of anything. Later He would create Eve. With the arrival of woman, nobody has ever been able to properly rest since.

That's my theory, anyway. It isn't doctrine and it isn't specifically addressed in the Scriptures. Accept that it makes sense or reject it entirely. Your choice.

 

[Subduction Zone]

For those of you who ask for evidence of creatio ex nihilo, I offer this challenge:

Name one or two things that would would be different in the evidence department if the earth would have been created exDeo, rather than ex nihilo.

Please stay within the confines of Genesis 1.

Thank you.

The problem is that there is no scientific evidence for either form of creation.

It looks like a loss no matter how someone proposes creation from a deity.

 

[AV1611VET]

With the arrival of woman, nobody has ever been able to properly rest since.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Did you read the Wikipedia article?

Creatio ex nihilo is creation out of nothing.

In other words, a second party -- God, in this case -- calls SOMETHING out of NOTHING.

In creatio ex Deo, what God creates is an extension of Himself.

All is of God.

Let's use a snowman as an example.

In creatio ex nihilo, a snowman creates an igloo out of thin air.

In creatio ex Deo, a snowman creates an igloo by taking some of his own snow, melting it, freezing it into ice, and building an igloo.

You didn't get my little joke or sensibly chose to ignore it. Yes I understand that distinction.

 

[AV1611VET]

You didn't get my little joke or sensibly chose to ignore it. Yes I understand that distinction.

Ah ... now I see it (I think).

Nihilo and Deo are both the same, right?

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

imho there is a vast difference between nothing and everything - twinc

You might want to check your Latin. Deo=/=everything.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Ah ... now I see it (I think).

Nihilo and Deo are both the same, right?

Heh, like I said little joke.

 

[Davian]

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[Deadbolt]

Hahahaha, and he posts another one. This is what I mean by dadaism. It's framed like philosophical puzzle but it asks a scientific question. Does it even have a logical answer? Can it have a logical answer framed the way it is?

Nevertheless, he'll get a ton of responses. None of which will be considered a valid response to the "challenge" because as the premise makes no sense, a correct or even valid answer is left entirely up to his fiat.

AV1 is a postmodernist virtuoso. He is the painter, you are his colors.

 

[Cheeky Monkey]

Hahahaha, and he posts another one. This is what I mean by dadaism. It's framed like philosophical puzzle but it asks a scientific question. Does it even have a logical answer? Can it have a logical answer framed the way it is?

Nevertheless, he'll get a ton of responses. None of which will be considered a valid response to the "challenge" because as the premise makes no sense, a correct or even valid answer is left entirely up to his fiat.

AV1 is a postmodernist virtuoso. He is the painter, you are his colors.

I enjoy participating in this art form.

 

[AV1611VET]

Does it even have a logical answer?

It just might be theological, instead.

 

[mzungu]

God placed Lucifer in charge of music ...

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

The music industry ... especially the rebellious side ... is adorned with religious iconography.

You don't sing hymns in church What about all those evangelical bands that play religious rock

 

[AV1611VET]

You don't sing hymns in church

Yes, why?

What about all those evangelical bands that play religious rock

No comment.

 

[mzungu]

Yes, why?

No comment.

You claimed that music is in Lucifer's charge; now since hymns are also music as is what the evangelical bands play, then suffice it to say hymn singing and evangelical band music are evil. Here is your post:

God placed Lucifer in charge of music ...

Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

The music industry ... especially the rebellious side ... is adorned with religious iconography.

 

[AV1611VET]

You claimed that music is in Lucifer's charge; now since hymns are also music as is what the evangelical bands play, then suffice it to say hymn singing and evangelical band music are evil. Here is your post:

Lucifer, mzungu ... not Satan.

If you were head of a corporation and you made Joe your CFO, and Joe was caught embezzling funds, wouldn't you remove Joe from his position and give it to someone else?

 

[mzungu]

Lucifer, mzungu ... not Satan.

If you were head of a corporation and you made Joe your CFO, and Joe was caught embezzling funds, wouldn't you remove Joe from his position and give it to someone else?

Ahem! Lucifer is Satan a.k.a the Devil. Also you claimed that Lucifer is in charge; which means he is still running the music business.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ahem! Lucifer is Satan a.k.a the Devil. Also you claimed that Lucifer is in charge; which means he is still running the music business.

Joe can't go out and start his own business?

 

[mzungu]

Joe can't go out and start his own business?

OK leaving Joe aside; you did claim that Lucifer is in charge of the music. Now I insist that; anyone singing or listening to music is in essence catering to Lucifer's product. tsk tsk AV. Bad form ol chap. Bad form.

 

[AV1611VET]

you did claim that Lucifer is in charge of the music.

I said GOD PLACED LUCIFER IN CHARGE OF MUSIC -- that's called past tense.

Your verb tense, Lucifer is in charge of the music, shows two errors:*

1. He is still Lucifer.
2. He is still in charge of Holy music.

* I'm sure you're just trying to yank my chain. You can't be this dense unless you're a scientist; and I get the feeling you're not -- (but you talk like one).

 

[mzungu]

I said GOD PLACED LUCIFER IN CHARGE OF MUSIC -- that's called past tense.

Your verb tense, Lucifer is in charge of the music, shows two errors:*

1. He is still Lucifer.
2. He is still in charge of Holy music.

* I'm sure you're just trying to yank my chain. You can't be this dense unless you're a scientist; and I get the feeling you're not -- (but you talk like one).

Indeed it is in the past tense. However if you said "God had placed Lucifer in charge of music" then this would infer that he is no longer in charge. It is like I said "I had him as a manager". Instead of " I placed him as a manager". Now when you say "God placed Lucifer in charge" then unless you show that Lucifer is no longer in charge then Lucifer is still in charge. Elementary my good man The Devil is in the details (Pun intended)