My Ex-nihilo Challenge

[God-free]

The fact that it´s god´s own word, silly.

:o
You're right. I should've known that. It's so obvious now.

<sulking and ashamed>

~Barbara

 

[AV1611VET]

What would be a good reason to believe that the Bible is anything more than an ancient (and superstitious) civilizations' way of filling in the gaps of their knowledge about the world and their limited naked-eye-view of the universe?

~Barbara

Go to the progeny of the [secular] authors of the Bible and tell them that land that their Scriptures says is theirs --- isn't. Tell them they either need to go back to Egypt where they initially grew to size, or back to Babylon where their founding father came from. Tell them that the Diaspora isn't really over, and that it was all made-up and superstitious.

Science talks hypothetically about what would happen when an unstoppable object encounters an immovable object.

Consider Israel immovable.

And unto his son will I give one tribe, that David my servant may have a light alway before me in Jerusalem, the city which I have chosen me to put my name there.

 

[AV1611VET]

The fact that it´s god´s own word, silly.

If you think I'm wrong --- test it yourself empirically.

Or better yet --- take a lesson from history and learn from the likes of Adolf Hitler and Yasser Arafat how real the Bible truly is.

 

[paug]

^

You obviously have no grasp of science and scientific thinking. You might want to upscale two levels and pick a new forum.

... when an unstoppable object encounters an immovable object.

Well I must admit, I've never heard that one before.

 

[Freodin]

Go to the progeny of the [secular] authors of the Bible and tell them that land that their Scriptures says is theirs --- isn't. Tell them they either need to go back to Egypt where they initially grew to size, or back to Babylon where their founding father came from. Tell them that the Diaspora isn't really over, and that it was all made-up and superstitious.

Science talks hypothetically about what would happen when an unstoppable object encounters an immovable object.

Consider Israel immovable.

You are aware that the majority of Jews do not live in Israel?

You are aware that there is a large group of Jews who are strongly opposed to the idea that the new secular stare of Israel has anything to do with their "promised land"?

You are aware that 60 years is a blink in the eye of history?

 

[God-free]

Go to the progeny of the [secular] authors of the Bible and tell them that land that their Scriptures says is theirs --- isn't. Tell them they either need to go back to Egypt where they initially grew to size, or back to Babylon where their founding father came from. Tell them that the Diaspora isn't really over, and that it was all made-up and superstitious.

Why would I want to insert myself in the politics of a battle that isn't mine to fight?

~Barbara

 

[pgp_protector]

You are aware that the majority of Jews do not live in Israel?

You are aware that there is a large group of Jews who are strongly opposed to the idea that the new secular stare of Israel has anything to do with their "promised land"?

You are aware that 60 years is a blink in the eye of history?

Don't forget they believe that 60 years is 1% of The Total History of mankind's ~6000 years existence.

 

[Freodin]

Don't forget they believe that 60 years is 1% of The Total History of mankind's ~6000 years existence.

History - recorded history of what we would call political entities is about that timespan. But the relation is the same.

I try to imagine what people might have said about Israel after the Babylonian exile, or after the Maccabean uprising, or after the Herodian kingdom: "Now we are here to stay. Now we will never ever lose our sovereinity again." Sooner or later, this changed.

In the currect geopolitical situation, a change in the (political) status of Israel is unlikely. Perhaps some fanatic will drop a nuclear bomb on them... might be inspiring to call some glowing piece of land "eternal home".

But what will happen in, say, 1000 years is undetermined. Long time predictions predictably fail. And yet that won´t keep some people from prophecying "Next time it will be forever!"

 

[AV1611VET]

You are aware that the majority of Jews do not live in Israel?

You are aware that there is a large group of Jews who are strongly opposed to the idea that the new secular stare of Israel has anything to do with their "promised land"?

You are aware that 60 years is a blink in the eye of history?

I am aware that you're on the Internet giving me a lesson in demographics, when you could be out scientifically testing my theory. The fact that you're handwaving an excellent point I made about Israel's omnipotence shows me that you're not even remotely interested in Biblical validation.

Israel's existence has been tested and re-tested in the laboratory of anti-Semitism, and, just as the Bible predicts, will continue to shine as a beacon for her Creator.

 

[AV1611VET]

Why would I want to insert myself in the politics of a battle that isn't mine to fight?

So you can judge for yourself if the Bible walks Its talk or not.

 

[AV1611VET]

Don't forget they believe that 60 years is 1% of The Total History of mankind's ~6000 years existence.

Well, if you think they're wrong --- I've certainly given you a way to either test it or research it --- the choice is yours.

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps some fanatic will drop a nuclear bomb on them... might be inspiring to call some glowing piece of land "eternal home".

Some fanatic can drop 1,948 nuclear bombs all over Israel, and after the dust clears, they'll pwn him into the next dispensation.

 

[AV1611VET]

JERUSALEM ---

 

[gaara4158]

JERUSALEM =O

 

[sinan90]

ABUSABLE CRUSADE

It's a sign!

 

[God-free]

So you can judge for yourself if the Bible walks Its talk or not.

That's a conclusion I've already reached. I don't doubt that there is some historical accuracy in what's written in the Bible. That doesn't mean there is a creator god and that it was he who promised Israel to the Jews for all time. If that was true then why, hundreds of centuries later, has this real estate dispute not been settled? It appears God enjoys watching 'His children' fight and die.

~Barbara

 

[Danyc]

Some fanatic can drop 1,948 nuclear bombs all over Israel, and after the dust clears, they'll pwn him into the next dispensation.

If and after 1,948 nuclear bombs are dropped on Israel, there won't be anyone left there to 'pwn' anyone into anything.

 

[AV1611VET]

If that was true then why, hundreds of centuries later, has this real estate dispute not been settled? It appears God enjoys watching 'His children' fight and die.

If that was true, God would leave Armageddon (and the Final Conflict) up to us; but in both of those battles, He is going to miraculously intervene and singlehandedly defeat the enemy.

This real estate was prophesied by Jesus to be occupied by Gentiles until then; and this is why the Crusades were in spite of the Scriptures, not in respect to Them.

In addition, we are not going to have perfect peace until the Prince of Peace comes; and until then, we'll have wars and rumors of wars.

 

[Vene]

If and after 1,948 nuclear bombs are dropped on Israel, there won't be anyone left there to 'pwn' anyone into anything.

Don't worry, that's when Jesus will return and the rapture will commence, or something equally asinine.

 

[AV1611VET]

If and after 1,948 nuclear bombs are dropped on Israel, there won't be anyone left there to 'pwn' anyone into anything.

Don't count on it, I can see the enemy moving in after that for cleanup --- then resettling the land, thinking they won.

And shortly afterward, on a clear moonlit night, someone saying, "Did you hear something?"

And they turn around, and there stands the entire Israeli Army --- and they say ---

"How can this be!?"

Whereupon the Israeli Army says, "You obviously didn't get the memo, did you?"

And they say, "What memo?"

And the Israel Army replies, "Ezekiel 37."

Note especially Verse Ten ---

So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

Whereup they pwn their enemies into the next dispensation.