My encounter with an Angel? or Demon?

[miknik5]

Do you believe THE TRUTH of THE GOSPEL?

 

[Sammy-San]

Why not believe and do what GOD's WORD said?

Not to judge anything before the time
(1 Corinthians 4)

What's the cause of all those people saying the same thing?

 

[Sammy-San]

Do you believe THE TRUTH of THE GOSPEL?

Yes, why?

 

[miknik5]

There's a heaven and a hell

There's a spiritual battle

I don't know who is going to hell but i do know who isnt going there

That is all that can tell you
And that is all I can testify to

 

[miknik5]

Yes, why?

You believe then that those who believe in the SON have passed from death to life?

 

[Sammy-San]

You believe then that those who believe in the SON have passed from death to life?

yes.

 

[miknik5]

What's the cause of all those people saying the same thing?

There is still time for them to come to their senses, to repent, to pray, to grow in their knowledge of the LORD

Too many want to be teachers and are puffed up by the supposed "knowledge" that they have acquired

Our work was to preach the GOSPEL. Point all to GOD's salvation in by and through HIS SON

That should be sufficient

Bring the sheep to the shepherd so that HE may shepherd HIS FLOCK

But to tell people what is outside THE DOOR, to constantly be discussing what is outside of CHRIST, how is that doing GOD's WORK?

They're still outside

Isn't it better to say CHRIST is THE DOOR and THE REFUGE and that there is no other way by which we can be saved

Isn't it far better to boldly and clearly profess THIS TRUTH?

 

[Sammy-San]

There is still time for them to come to their senses, to repent, to pray, to grow in their knowledge of the LORD

Too many want to be teachers and are puffed up by the supposed "knowledge" that they have acquired

Our work was to preach the GOSPEL. Point all to GOD's salvation in by and through HIS SON

That should be sufficient

Bring the sheep to the shepherd so that HE may shepherd HIS FLOCK

But to tell people what is outside THE DOOR, to constantly be discussing what is outside of CHRIST, how is that doing GOD's WORK?

They're still outside

Isn't it better to say CHRIST is THE DOOR and THE REFUGE and that there is no other way by which we can be saved

Isn't it far better to boldly and clearly profess THIS TRUTH?

Do you think they are all deceived?

 

[miknik5]

Do you think they are all deceived?

Why do you ask me?
The GOSPEL will go out and accomplish HIS purpose

I don't know who will hear and believe

But I trust that what HE has entrusted to me and I do what I am called to do

I will present THE TRUTH of CHRIST and I will not hold back THE TRUTH

Let those with ears to hear...hear

He'll bring the increase if we "go" and cast the seeds of life and let them fall where they will fall

That is what I do

I do not concern myself with who will hear or will not hear

I do not need to know who has heard or who hasn't heard

HE will decide whose Heart HE will open that they will believe, turn and be healed

 

[stephen583]

And how is it more liable to discuss it in forums than in a message? That doesn't make sense either.

Personal messages (private conversations) between CF members does not fall into the category of "endorsement" by CF. Whereas allowing public "posts" in a thread could be legally interpreted as "endorsement" by CF administrators. Which is why the prohibition exists in the rules of the forum.

Actually discussing any CF policy in a thread also violates CF forum rules, so I will not be addressing this subject any further in a public thread. As I indicated earlier, you are welcome to PM me, or initiate a private conversation on this matter.

 

[stephen583]

What do you mean by that? Bibical methods arent dangerous.

There is no instance in the NT where "exorcism" of a demon results in injury, or death of the individual possessed.

 

[Sammy-San]

There is no instance in the NT where "exorcism" of a demon results in injury, or death of the individual possessed.

Isnt exorcism unbibical?

Also, whats your view on Bob Larson?

 

[stephen583]

Satan can't resurrect the dead nor does Satan have any power over those who are in CHRIST JESUS

How do you then explain the crucifixion of Peter, the beheading of Paul, or any of the other gruesome deaths of the disciples of Christ described in the Bible, including all those martyred and thrown to the lions by Rome, and the saints who will be "overcome" by Satan during the Tribulation Period ?

It appears your argument for the "invulnerability" of Christians and their being "impervious" to Satan's attacks doesn't stand up to historical, or biblical scrutiny. In fact, they prove the exact opposite.

But I don't fear men, or Satan who can only destroy the body, I fear God, who after having destroyed the body, can then destroy the soul (Matthew 10:28).

 

[stephen583]

Clearly JESUS can
Clearly you do not believe who HE says HE is

I believe everything Jesus says, and he says explicitly he can do nothing without the Father (John 5:18,30), nor can anyone else.

 

[stephen583]

Men can't cast out demons
And they will NEVER declare that they can

That's a clever lawyerly twist on words. I never claimed I was able to cast out a demon by my own power. That's your characterization, not mine.

The man in Mark 9:38, who was casting out demons in the name of Jesus was "forbidden" to do so by the disciples because he refused to follow them, when they reported this to Jesus, he sternly rebuked them, and said, "Forbid him not" ! (Luke 9:37-56).

No one who casts out demons in the name of Christ is doing the work of Satan ! And no one is doing it by his own power either as you suggest.

I do not fear either man, or Satan who can only destroy the body, I fear God who can destroy the soul, (Matthew 10:28).

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

Demons don't prefer to advertise their existence. Stan's biggest trick, was convincing the world he doesn't actually exist. That's generally where he likes to keep it. A covert sort of operation.

This being said, there are exceptions when evil makes its' presence known. This most often occurs whenever someone intervenes to rescue someone else who is under some demonic influence. I call it the "Hollywood" effect. It's meant to instill terror.

Things like objects flying off walls, furniture being moved, disembodied voices, cold spots, feelings of suffocation, door slamming, religious relics on walls being turned upside down, people speaking words backwards, or speaking in foreign tongues, private information about yourself being revealed as a method of attack, people falling on the ground experiencing seizures, and of course the slaughter of family pets where all their bones are broken and their heads are grotesquely turned around backwards. I've witnesses all of this and more, and it is quite frightening to the uninitiated !

If you PM me I'll be happy to explain some of biblical methods for "exorcism". Unfortunately, for liability issues, CF rules prohibit the discussion of exorcism methods in open forums, (even those directly described in the Gospel).

Of all the miracles Jesus performed, exorcism was by far one of the most frequent. It's all there, you can read about it for yourself in the NT.

Smith Wigglesworth woke up in the middle of the night once and saw the devil standing at the end of his bed. He said, "Oh, it's just you." and turned over and went back to sleep. He knew where he stood with the devil and had absolutely no fear of him.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

What do you mean liability issues? Are you referring to the law?

I think that CF could be sued for defamation if it allowed someone to be accused of being demon possessed. Because the United States is a litigious nation (more are motivated and prepared to go to court when wronged), it is a real possibility, so the rule is in place for safety reasons. A court case could effectively close CF down. I ran into the rule just recently and now I understand why it is there.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

That's a clever lawyerly twist on words. I never claimed I was able to cast out a demon by my own power. That's your characterization, not mine.

The man in Mark 9:38, who was casting out demons in the name of Jesus was "forbidden" to do so by the disciples because he refused to follow them, when they reported this to Jesus, he sternly rebuked them, and said, "Forbid him not" ! (Luke 9:37-56).

No one who casts out demons in the name of Christ is doing the work of Satan ! And no one is doing it by his own power either as you suggest.

I do not fear either man, or Satan who can only destroy the body, I fear God who can destroy the soul, (Matthew 10:28).

The sons of Sceva tried to cast out a demon in their own strength and look what happened to them!

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

For those who want to know more about the deliverance ministry, I have found two books very helpful: Dr Ed Murphy, The Handbook Of Spiritual Warfare; and Neil Anderson, The Bondage Breaker. These authors give a very practical approach to dealing with suspected demon activity in a person. Both use counselling in the first instance and will only deal with a demon if it manifests. Dr Murphy uses multiple counselling and ministry sessions to bring a person to complete freedom. Neil Anderson will have a very lengthy first counselling and teaching session with the client, giving him or her the resources and skills to gain freedom and keep it. After taking a client through an extensive check list, after the final prayer of breaking the bondage, the client has often said, "I'm free!" and thereafter has continued to walk in freedom. This is so different to zealots trying to cast out demons in public at a church altar call with all the "hollywood" manifestations. Of course, demons will manifest if they have that level of control in a person, but ministry is best done in private away from the public eye. This is to preserve the person's dignity as well as preventing the demon to engage in public "theatre" to hinder the deliverance process. Jesus cast out demons with a word, but then being who He is, He did things so much better because He had the Spirit without measure in Him and his faith in the Father was far stronger than ours will ever be.

 

[stephen583]

Isnt exorcism unbibical?

There are three references in the OT describing demonic possession, and 36 references in the NT which refer to the exorcism of demons.
(Source; Catholic References.org)