My DNA Challenge

[HitchSlap]

Don't need to have been there. We have the biblical record.

One day: Adam was formed from dust, he got to name EVERY species of animal and then was operated on to remove Eve from him. And that is all in one day between dawn and dusk. 12 hours, give or take.

The “biblical record” is a myth, borrowed from an earlier myth.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You need to have a bigger picture of reality. (world view)

How can I have a bigger picture of reality, then the reality that is actually detectable/observable, without making stuff up?

 

[DogmaHunter]

Oh, of course not.

That would make my point for me, wouldn't it?

Eve throws a monkey wrench into the equation, doesn't she?

No, your point is just completely backwards.

The point is not about an actual injury that doesn't leave a scar.
The point is about having scars from injuries that never happened.

 

[Dave-W]

It doesn't really matter how you label events that aren't in accordance with observable reality. They stay incompatible with observable reality, no matter what label is slapped on them.

Operative phrase: observable reality.

There is a whole lot more to reality that is not observable.

 

[Dave-W]

How can I have a bigger picture of reality, then the reality that is actually detectable/observable, without making stuff up?

That is what faith is all about.

Hebrews 11.3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. 4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.​

 

[HitchSlap]

That is what faith is all about.

Hebrews 11.3 By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things which are visible. 4 By faith Abel offered to God a better sacrifice than Cain, through which he obtained the testimony that he was righteous, God testifying about his gifts, and through faith, though he is dead, he still speaks. 5 By faith Enoch was taken up so that he would not see death; and he was not found because God took him up; for he obtained the witness that before his being taken up he was pleasing to God. 6 And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.​

Faith is the reason people give when they don’t have good reasons, then is defended against all reason.

 

[AV1611VET]

Believing in a myth doesn’t make it true.

That's true.

Don't myth-understand the truth.

 

[AV1611VET]

It doesn't really matter how you label events that aren't in accordance with observable reality.

Yes, actually, it does.

I think the educated (plutoed) word for it is "paranormal."

 

[AV1611VET]

Faith is the reason people give when they don’t have good reasons,

In your opinion, did they have a good reason to party aboard the Deepwater Horizon that night?

 

[HitchSlap]

In your opinion, did they have a good reason to party aboard the Deepwater Horizon that night?

Are you equating your religious faith with a "party aboard the Deepwater Horizon"? I think I see why you have such difficulty differentiating myth from reality.

 

[PsychoSarah]

If I remember Kent Hovind correctly, he says we're closer to a tobacco plant more than anything.

Is that true?

XD XD XD no. Out of all the misinformation spread by Kent Hovind, this has to be the one farthest from the truth. I assure you that humans are genetically closer to any animal, including sea sponges, than to any plant.

 

[Larniavc]

Hi there!

Okay, so God creates apes in Genesis 1, all having the same DNA.

Then, when He creates man, He creates man with almost the same DNA, but a percentage (2%?) of it is different.

After all, His goal is to create man in His image & likeness.

Show how this is deceptive.

You're assuming that Bible(KJV1611) accurately reports God created man.

That's not deceptive but it is premature.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Operative phrase: observable reality.

There is a whole lot more to reality that is not observable.

Perhaps you are right, but as long as we can't observe such things, we can't confirm that they exist, and it is simply pragmatic to not act as if every possible thing that could exist does without evidence for said existence.

 

[tas8831]

Not really. Whales and hippos are both mammals, breathe air and nurse their young. Sharks breathe water and do not nurse.

well sure, but they look more like sharks than hippos, no?

Seems odd for "common design"...

I sort of doubt a competent designer would take the plans for a truck and use them to make a submarine...

 

[AV1611VET]

Are you equating your religious faith with a "party aboard the Deepwater Horizon"?

Negative.

I'm equating yours.

It's your definition of faith -- not mine.

 

[AV1611VET]

I assure you that humans are genetically closer to any animal, including sea sponges, than to any plant.

Then what? poison ivy?

Anyone can tell me what it isn't.

Telling me what it is is different though; isn't it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps you are right, but as long as we can't observe such things, we can't confirm that they exist, and it is simply pragmatic to not act as if every possible thing that could exist does without evidence for said existence.

Well the first step is easy.

In fact, it's scientific.

Just look around.

Edifices, iconography, literature, martyrs and the like all attest to something or someone that exists outside of our five senses.

Cause-and-effect should make even a hardened atheist shed that label.

The second step is harder.

Determining which one is the right one, then relegating all the others to mimicry.

 

[HitchSlap]

Negative.

I'm equating yours.

It's your definition of faith -- not mine.

Yes, my definition of religious faith includes believing a myth to be true, in spite of every single piece of available evidence to the contrary.

 

[HitchSlap]

Then what? poison ivy?

Anyone can tell me what it isn't.

Telling me what it is is different though; isn't it?

We're closest to apes. In fact, you're an ape. We're all apes, av.

 

[Dave-W]

I sort of doubt a competent designer would take the plans for a truck and use them to make a submarine...

Have you ever done professional design work?