My DNA Challenge

[Dave-W]

Flying glowing is conjecture, but a good one. Psalms says God is clothed in light, people who see Angels and stuff always say they glowed and can fly...

Not a good conjecture. We are neither God nor angelic.

Genesis says we will surely die after eating from the tree of good and evil...but Adam lived 900 something years? So did God lie?

Not at all. "Death" in the bible does NOT necessarily mean the cessation of bodily and mental function. It means separation from God. In the very moment that Adam ate that fruit, his personal human spirit died. That cut him off from God.

Our flesh is NOT "us"

You want the scriptures or not?

Our physical flesh IS a part of us.

I am familiar with the scriptures. They are the same ones the gonostics of the 2nd and 3rd centuries used to justify themselves. It was heresy then and is still heresy now.

 

[DogmaHunter]

In your opinion, when God took Adam's rib and made Eve, then ...

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

... did He leave a scar?

If not, would Eve have been justified in not believing Adam, when he told her she came from his rib?

(Please answer this.)

We aren't talking about a real "wound" that didn't leave a scar.
We are talking about a scar which resulted from an injury that never happened.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Neither did some common ancestor to [eventually] produce Adam.

I a human named adam existed, he had parents which produced genetically and competed with peers over limited resources.

It's called biological life. Your bizar beliefs nothwitstanding...

Adam wasn't born ... he was called into existence.

Did it by any chance happen through the words "abracadabra"?

 

[Dave-W]

Were you there?

Don't need to have been there. We have the biblical record.

One day: Adam was formed from dust, he got to name EVERY species of animal and then was operated on to remove Eve from him. And that is all in one day between dawn and dusk. 12 hours, give or take.

 

[AV1611VET]

Were you there?

No.

 

[Dave-W]

I a human named adam existed, he had parents which produced genetically and competed with peers over limited resources.

To believe that violates the principle of biblical revelation.

If you accept that concept, then you reject the bible.

 

[DogmaHunter]

To believe that violates the principle of biblical revelation.

To not believe it, violates the principles of reality.

If you accept that concept, then you reject the bible.

The majority of christians accept that concept and don't reject the bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

It is a lot easier to say a day is 1,000 years ...

Was Jesus in the grave for 3000 years?

... because there is a lot more evidence to support that.

I think by now you should realize that, when it comes to evidence, most people no longer look at it the way they used to.

For instance, we don't look at the moon the way Moses used to.

Moses could look at the moon and see it as created by God in an instant of time.

Today they look at the moon and see a sphere of space dust accreted over time, or a piece of earth blown out, or another sphere that tried to pass us but got captured by our gravity, or ...

 

[Dave-W]

To not believe it, violates the principles of reality.

You need to have a bigger picture of reality. (world view)

 

[AV1611VET]

We aren't talking about a real "wound" that didn't leave a scar.

Oh, of course not.

That would make my point for me, wouldn't it?

We are talking about a scar which resulted from an injury that never happened.

Eve throws a monkey wrench into the equation, doesn't she?

 

[AV1611VET]

I a human named adam existed, he had parents which produced genetically and competed with peers over limited resources.

Luke says otherwise ...

Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

It's called biological life.

I know what it's called: I've lived it for 63 years now.

Heaven forbid scientists would call it what the Bible calls it.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Just pluto "living soul" to "biological life," then "biological life" to "fetus," and what have you got?

Fuel to heat hospitals, paid for by Visa & MasterCard.

Your bizar beliefs nothwitstanding...

Ya ... they're kinda far out, aren't they?

Did it by any chance happen through the words "abracadabra"?

Does it matter?

 

[AV1611VET]

To not believe it, violates the principles of reality.

I think those are called "miracles."

The majority of christians accept that concept and don't reject the bible.

How can one accept that concept and not reject the Bible?

 

[AV1611VET]

You need to have a bigger picture of reality. (world view)

Correct!

Reality consists of the Kingdom of Heaven (physical reality) and the Kingdom of God (spiritual reality).

 

[VirOptimus]

My "common ancestor" is not found in a science textbook.

You dont understand science i.e. physical reality.

 

[AV1611VET]

You dont understand science i.e. physical reality.

And you don't understand history viz. spiritual reality, or you wouldn't be an atheist.

 

[HitchSlap]

No.

Bummer.

 

[HitchSlap]

And you don't understand history viz. spiritual reality, or you wouldn't be an atheist.

Oh the ironing.

 

[HitchSlap]

Correct!

Reality consists of the Kingdom of Heaven (physical reality) and the Kingdom of God (spiritual reality).

Believing in a myth doesn’t make it true.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I think those are called "miracles."

It doesn't really matter how you label events that aren't in accordance with observable reality. They stay incompatible with observable reality, no matter what label is slapped on them.

How can one accept that concept and not reject the Bible?

A wild guess: by not taking it literally.

 

[Dave-W]

Oh the ironing.