My DNA Challenge

[HitchSlap]

I wouldn't talk, chief.

Sorry cowboy, you don't get to weasel out so easy. You brought it up, asking whether Hovind said we're closer to a tobacco plant than apes. I told you we're not - that it's an idiotic assertion - to which you then asked what plant we're "closest" too.

You don't know either.

Nope. Don't know. Don't care.

At least I've got a good reason for not knowing:

Ignorance is not a good reason.

I'm not an evolutionist.

That's nice. Neither am I.

 

[HitchSlap]

Indeed they are.
But they are not "great" as in large. They are small apes.

Are you deliberately being obtuse here?

Wiki:
"The Hominidae (/hɒˈmɪnɪdiː/), whose members are known as great apes[note 1] or hominids, are a taxonomic family of primates that includes seven extant species in four genera: Pongo, the Bornean and Sumatran orangutan; Gorilla, the eastern and western gorilla; Pan, the common chimpanzee and the bonobo; and Homo, which includes modern Humans and its extinct relatives (e.g., the Neanderthal), and ancestors, such as Homo erectus.[1]"

 

[PsychoSarah]

Kent is way more stupid than you give him credit for.

"And we have 46 now, folks, and if we can just get 2 more, the next step of human evolution, we're gonna become a tobacco plant. I know some already smell like it. Sometimes I'll get on the elevator, and I'll say: “Man, you're evolving. You're way ahead of me.” And it probably won't happen in my lifetime, but we might get enough chromosomes someday to be either a dogor a chicken. They're twins too, you know. And then way down the road, you know, we're going to become a carp.

They've got double the chromosomes we do.

And someday, stardate 349572, we're gonna become a fern. I was at a church one time, and this lady walked up to me afterward, and she said: “Mr. Hovind, I'm Fern.” I shook her hand with that hand right there. I'll never wash it again."

Taken from:
Dr. Kent Hovind's Creation Seminar 4: Lies in the Textbooks, part c

XD hahahahahahahahaha, as if all chromosomes that share the same number have the exact same genes, hahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Well the first step is easy.

In fact, it's scientific.

Just look around.

Edifices, iconography, literature, martyrs and the like all attest to something or someone that exists outside of our five senses.

Nah, because people will demonstrably die for the sake of falsehoods, as long as they don't know they are false. Every religion has martyrs, and most religions conflict with each other.

Cause-and-effect should make even a hardened atheist shed that label.

Seeing as people make up stuff all the time, and some people are really creative about it, that's what I attribute as the source of the basis of various religions.

The second step is harder.

Determining which one is the right one, then relegating all the others to mimicry.

You are assuming that any view, theistic or atheistic, is correct. What I mean is, everyone could be wrong on this one.

 

[PsychoSarah]

Then what? poison ivy?

Anyone can tell me what it isn't.

Telling me what it is is different though; isn't it?

No, I meant literally any plant. There is not a single instance in which a human would be genetically more similar to a plant than another animal, regardless as to which animal and which plant you decide to use for the comparison.

 

[Kylie]

Well...almost. God is not the author of confusion.

Genesis 11:7-9 and 1 Corinthians 1:27 disagree with you.

It is man trying to hide God, which is trying to make one thing look like another.

You don't know how science works, do you?

In fact, not man per session, but evil spirits lying and confusing man.

So first it was man doing, now it isn't...

The is a real spiritual war going on. It's mostly unseen. If they openly showed themselves, there would be great revival for it would prove the spiritual realm and God.

Okay. Once more, just a bunch of claims with no support. In fact,m you are explaining why there can't possibly be support for your claims. Very convenient.

 

[Kylie]

You're right. I love it when girls are right.

We're still not apes though, their hair is just thicker and longer.

Yes, we are apes.

And I'm a woman approaching 40. "Girl" is a little patronizing, doncha think?

 

[Kylie]

Why would I want to? That is irrelevant since I was not the One who did it.

Way to completely avoid actually answering the question! Congratulations, your attempts at evasion are so incredibly subtle!

Or maybe you actually understood what I was asking, but instead chose to quibble over the exact phrasing because you are utterly incapable of providing an actual answer.

So, I'll take your response as an admission of ignorance.

 

[HitchSlap]

XD hahahahahahahahaha, as if all chromosomes that share the same number have the exact same genes, hahahahahahahahahahaha.

And people bring their kids to listen to this buffoon.

 

[Divide]

Genesis 11:7-9 and 1 Corinthians 1:27 disagree with you.



You don't know how science works, do you?



So first it was man doing, now it isn't...



Okay. Once more, just a bunch of claims with no support. In fact,m you are explaining why there can't possibly be support for your claims. Very convenient.

You are not making any sense to me. You just sound like you're angry and lashing out.

???

 

[HitchSlap]

You are not making any sense to me. You just sound like you're angry and lashing out.

???

Seems quite clear to me, what she's saying. That is, you're making unsupportable claims.

 

[PsychoSarah]

You are not making any sense to me. You just sound like you're angry and lashing out.

???

I don't see an angry tone with what she wrote... or even a blunt one. But then again, determining tone was never a strength of mine.

 

[joshua 1 9]

most religions conflict with each other.

It does not matter what most people believe. It is every man and women for themselves. In the end you alone will be held accountable for what YOU believe and for what YOU did with your life.

 

[Kylie]

You are not making any sense to me. You just sound like you're angry and lashing out.

???

You said God is not the author of confusion. I gave two examples of passages in the Bible where God DOES create confusion.

You also claimed that science is just an attempt by man to hide God. It is not. Science is a systematic investigation of the universe. Only someone who does not understand what science is would say science is an attempt to hide God.

You said that science is man trying to hide God, then you said it isn't man, but spirits who are lying and trying to confuse mankind. You made a claim and then immediately contradicted yourself.

You also explained why there is no evidence for this. But I could make the claim that fairies are real and live among us, and then give a bunch of explanations as to why we can't detect them. It doesn't mean that fairies are real, and you claims don't mean that God is real.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Yes, actually, it does.

It does not. You can call a ball a square, but it won't change the fact that it's a sphere.

 

[DogmaHunter]

That is what faith is all about.

About making stuff up?

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[DogmaHunter]

Operative phrase: observable reality.

Obviously. What else? "unobservable" reality? How could you ever know anything about the undetectable? How could you ever distinguish the undetectable from the non-existant?

There is a whole lot more to reality that is not observable.

How could you possibly know that?

 

[Divide]

You said God is not the author of confusion. I gave two examples of passages in the Bible where God DOES create confusion.

You also claimed that science is just an attempt by man to hide God. It is not. Science is a systematic investigation of the universe. Only someone who does not understand what science is would say science is an attempt to hide God.

You said that science is man trying to hide God, then you said it isn't man, but spirits who are lying and trying to confuse mankind. You made a claim and then immediately contradicted yourself.

You also explained why there is no evidence for this. But I could make the claim that fairies are real and live among us, and then give a bunch of explanations as to why we can't detect them. It doesn't mean that fairies are real, and you claims don't mean that God is real.

Oh I see we're just not understanding each other. Perhaps I was speaking too broadly for you.
Science isn't trying to hide God. Science is cool and slowly proving scripture. Certain elites who largely control schooling and media are.

Some scientist's speak truth, others are controlled. They know which side their bread is buttered on.

As far as God sending confusion to the enemy...yes He did that and does that. But that's a different subject than God's word to His people and believers.

They're searching for the God particle now... they'll never isolate it because it is love...God is Love...and will not be isolated by the evil ones.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

 

[Dave-W]

Way to completely avoid actually answering the question! Congratulations, your attempts at evasion are so incredibly subtle!

Or maybe you actually understood what I was asking, but instead chose to quibble over the exact phrasing because you are utterly incapable of providing an actual answer.

So, I'll take your response as an admission of ignorance.

From that response I would guess that you have never worked in a diverse group of technical designers. Everyone has their own "style" and reasons for designing things in a particular way. Some are very conservative and over-design everything. Some (like myself) were somewhat avant garde and brought in elements from other disciplines and design philosophies.

Your question was one that says "why did that designer do things that way?"
Why did the Designer choose to make an animal that looks like a fish but is actually an air breathing animal. I have no idea. It is not my design.

 

[Dave-W]

How could you ever distinguish the undetectable from the non-existant?

How could you possibly know that?

As I already said: Faith. Without faith it is IMPOSSIBLE to please God.