My Discovery Challenge

[Bungle_Bear]

That advice led to the Sarin attacks on Tokyo years ago.

Remember Shoko Asahara, who wanted to worship Shiva in aumshinri kyo ("pure truth")?

Asahara also declared himself to be Christ and the Lamb of God. He could take upon himself the sins of the world and save his followers. He also believed the world would end in a nuclear Armageddon, an idea borrowed from Revelation. Christianity is obviously dangerous.

 

[AV1611VET]

When you resort to flat out lies, you discredit yourself. So dont do it please.

You're quick with those resorts, aren't you?

No. i dont.

QV please:

On March 20, 1995, members of Aum Shinrikyo attacked the Tokyo subway with the nerve agent sarin. Thirteen people died and thousands more suffered ill effects. After finding sufficient evidence, authorities accused Aum Shinrikyo of complicity in the attack, as well as in a number of smaller-scale incidents. Dozens of disciples were arrested, Aum's facilities were raided, and the court issued an order for Asahara's arrest. In the following months, a general attitude to perceive new religions and cults as a potential danger for the whole society spread among the Japanese people.

SOURCE

Still think it's a flat out lie?

Still want me to start leaving offerings of milk and flowers to Shiva?

 

[AV1611VET]

Asahara also declared himself to be Christ and the Lamb of God.

Shoko viewed Shiva as the "god of destruction," and wanted to worship him in supreme truth "aum shinrikyo."

Thus the attacks.

He was probably fed up with people giving Shiva milk and flowers, and wanted the people to see Shiva as he saw him -- the god of destruction.

Not some god sitting around saying "feed me."

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Shoko viewed Shiva as the "god of destruction," and wanted to worship him in supreme truth "aum shinrikyo."

Thus the attacks.

He was probably fed up with people giving Shiva milk and flowers, and wanted the people to see Shiva as he saw him -- the god of destruction.

Not some god sitting around saying "feed me."

He took a lot from the bible, too. As I said (and you have completely ignored), he called himself "Christ" and "the Lamb of God" and promoted an Armageddon-like end of the world. Seems you need to be looking a lot closer to home for much of his thinking.

 

[AV1611VET]

He took a lot from the bible, too. As I said (and you have completely ignored), he called himself "Christ" and "the Lamb of God" and promoted an Armageddon-like end of the world. Seems you need to be looking a lot closer to home for much of his thinking.

I realize you want to cross-wires to Christianity ... but it keeps you from understanding.

Shoko gassed Tokyo WITH RESPECT TO Shiva.

The Crusaders* tried to liberate Jerusalem from the gentiles IN SPITE OF the Bible.

* Or whomever it is you're referring to.

Par for the course for academia.

I try my best to give specific names, events, dates, places, etc., while academia is as vague as trying to read a newspaper through a translucent window.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I realize you want to cross-wires to Christianity ... but it keeps you from understanding.

Shoko gassed Tokyo WITH RESPECT TO Shiva.

The Crusaders* tried to liberate Jerusalem from the gentiles IN SPITE OF the Bible.

* Or whomever it is you're referring to.

Par for the course for academia.

I try my best to give specific names, events, dates, places, etc., while academia is as vague as trying to read a newspaper through a translucent window.

I realize you want to cross-wires to Hinduism....... but it keeps you from understanding.

Shoko gassed Tokyo IN SPITE OF the vedas.

Shoko was obsessed with biblical prophecy and certain aspects of Christianity. The beliefs of Aum Shinrikyo were developed WITH RESPECT TO the bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

I realize you want to cross-wires to Christianity ... but it keeps you from understanding.

I realize you want to cross-wires to Hinduism....... but it keeps you from understanding.

Shoko gassed Tokyo IN SPITE OF the vedas.

Shoko was obsessed with biblical prophecy and certain aspects of Christianity. The beliefs of Aum Shinrikyo were developed WITH RESPECT TO the bible.

You're entitled to your opinion.

Thanks for the QED.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

You're entitled to your opinion.

Thanks for the QED.

Likewise.

 

[Mr Laurier]

You're quick with those resorts, aren't you?

Not at all.

QV please:

SOURCE

A link that fails to support your claim.
Attempting to equate a christan fanatic with Hinduism.
Congratulations. Go bandage your foot

Still think it's a flat out lie?

Yes. I do.

Still want me to start leaving offerings of milk and flowers to Shiva?

Again, its not a question of what I want. Please stop trying to appeal to my ego. It only makes you look sad and pathetic.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Shoko viewed Shiva as the "god of destruction," and wanted to worship him in supreme truth "aum shinrikyo."

If so then he was wrong.
Hindu mythology makes clear that Shiva is the god of the creation. Not of destruction.

 

[AV1611VET]

A link that fails to support your claim.

Suit yourself, Dan.

Your support skills are different from mine.

 

[AV1611VET]

If so then he was wrong.

Yup.

Hindu mythology makes clear that Shiva is the god of the creation. Not of destruction.

QV please:

"Shiva is represented in a variety of forms: in a pacific mood with his consort Parvati and son Skanda, as the cosmic dancer (Nataraja), as a naked ascetic, as a mendicant beggar, as a yogi, as a Dalit (formerly called untouchable) accompanied by a dog (Bhairava), and as the androgynous union of Shiva and his consort in one body, half-male and half-female (Ardhanarishvara). He is both the great ascetic and the master of fertility, and he is the master of both poison and medicine, through his ambivalent power over snakes. As Lord of Cattle (Pashupata), he is the benevolent herdsman—or, at times, the merciless slaughterer of the “beasts” that are the human souls in his care. Although some of the combinations of roles may be explained by Shiva’s identification with earlier mythological figures, they arise primarily from a tendency in Hinduism to see complementary qualities in a single ambiguous figure."

SOURCE

This is what happens when a fallen angel (calling himself "Shiva") goes around and acts like everything from a beggar to a "merciless slaughterer of the beasts that are the human souls in his care."

Side note: Beasts? human souls? hmmm sounds like something that is taught in our schools.

Anyway, Shoko was willing to take his pick of this Heinz-57 person, and walk his talk with it.

 

[Kylie]

Yup.

SOURCE

And do you not see that "to lengthen by pulling" fits in the category of "change from a smaller form and/or size to a larger one"?

 

[AV1611VET]

And do you not see that "to lengthen by pulling" fits in the category of "change from a smaller form and/or size to a larger one"?

Yes.

Do you not see that "pulling" fits in the category of being outside the universe's radius?

 

[Kylie]

Yes.

Do you not see that "pulling" fits in the category of being outside the universe's radius?

They both do, what's your point?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Yup.QV please:

"Shiva is represented in a variety of forms: in a pacific mood with his consort Parvati and son Skanda, as the cosmic dancer (Nataraja), as a naked ascetic, as a mendicant beggar, as a yogi, as a Dalit (formerly called untouchable) accompanied by a dog (Bhairava), and as the androgynous union of Shiva and his consort in one body, half-male and half-female (Ardhanarishvara). He is both the great ascetic and the master of fertility, and he is the master of both poison and medicine, through his ambivalent power over snakes. As Lord of Cattle (Pashupata), he is the benevolent herdsman—or, at times, the merciless slaughterer of the “beasts” that are the human souls in his care. Although some of the combinations of roles may be explained by Shiva’s identification with earlier mythological figures, they arise primarily from a tendency in Hinduism to see complementary qualities in a single ambiguous figure."

SOURCE

This is what happens when a fallen angel (calling himself "Shiva") goes around and acts like everything from a beggar to a "merciless slaughterer of the beasts that are the human souls in his care."

Side note: Beasts? human souls? hmmm sounds like something that is taught in our schools.

Anyway, Shoko was willing to take his pick of this Heinz-57 person, and walk his talk with it.

Likewise with the biblical influences on his beliefs. You really do have a blinkered view, don't you?

 

[AV1611VET]

You really do have a blinkered view, don't you?

Who's more "blinkered"?

Me? or the one who said this?

Hindu mythology makes clear that Shiva is the god of the creation. Not of destruction.

If you think that's an accurate assessment he made, then please, by all means, consider my view "blinkered."

Had I not chimed in with my "blinkered views," I believe he would have gotten away with that statement.

Because I certainly don't think you would have said anything to him.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Who's more "blinkered"?

Me? or the one who said this?If you think that's an accurate assessment he made, then please, by all means, consider my view "blinkered."

Had I not chimed in with my "blinkered views," I believe he would have gotten away with that statement.

Because I certainly don't think you would have said anything to him.

My point is that you completely ignore all the negative aspects of Shoko Asahara's beliefs that he took from the bible, and those were far more influential than his choice of Shiva as god of destruction.

 

[AV1611VET]

My point is that you completely ignore all the negative aspects of Shoko Asahara's beliefs that he took from the bible,

Post 65 please.

We're past that.

... and those were far more influential than his choice of Shiva as god of destruction.

I'm addressing the issue that Shiva is the "god of the creation, not the god of destruction."

Care to support me against this blinkered errant view?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Post 65 please.

As I pointed out in my response, the attack was carried out with respect to the bible and you handwaved that away.

We're past that.I'm addressing the issue that Shiva is the "god of the creation, not the god of destruction."

Care to support me against this blinkered errant view?

We can worry about that when you have adequately addressed the far stronger links in Shoko Asahara's beliefs to the bible.