my chart updates

[Douggg]

I show some updates to my chart which I added the false messianic age of the Antichrist

And the world saying peace and safety (1Thessalonians5:3).

And the Jews fleeing to the mountains when the AoD is setup - Matthew 24:15-21.

 

[Douggg]

 

[keras]

Would you agree to me listing all your points and showing why they are wrong?

Just for starters, in your post #2, you have the Jews fleeing, Matthew 24:16, never says Jews, it says those who are in Judea, must flee....
The House of Judah, the apostate and Jesus rejecting Jews, will be virtually wiped out on the Day of the Lords fiery wrath, at the next Prophesied event. Isaiah 6:11-13, Zephaniah 1:14-18. Jeremiah 10:18, +

 

[Douggg]

Would you agree to me listing all your points and showing why they are wrong?

Just for starters, in your post #2, you have the Jews fleeing, Matthew 24:16, never says Jews, it says those who are in Judea, must flee....

It is the Jews fleeing because in Mathew 24:20 - that their flight not be on the sabbath day. Jews are uniquely restricted on the Sabbath of how far they can travel. The limit is .56 miles. how far can a Jew travel on the sabbath - Bing


15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand: )

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[keras]

It is the Jews fleeing because in Mathew 24:20 - that their flight not be on the sabbath day. Jews are uniquely restricted on the Sabbath of how far they can travel. The limit is .56 miles

Tell that to the SDA's
You have the bad habit of ignoring scriptures that show you to be wrong. Prophesies like Zephaniah 1:14-18, which says the Lord will virtually depopulate the entire holy Land and Jeremiah 12:14 is specific that Judah will be thrown out.
This Biblical truth, of course; blows apart the whole paradigm of a Jewish redemption and the 'rapture to heaven' theory with it.

 

[Douggg]

Tell that to the SDA's
You have the bad habit of ignoring scriptures that show you to be wrong. Prophesies like Zephaniah 1:14-18, which says the Lord will virtually depopulate the entire holy Land and Jeremiah 12:14 is specific that Judah will be thrown out.
This Biblical truth, of course; blows apart the whole paradigm of a Jewish redemption and the 'rapture to heaven' theory with it.

Christians are not restricted to how far they can travel on any day of the week.

I showed you from the text in Matthew 24:15-21 why them in Judea should flee is aimed at the Jews.

btw, on my chart in post # 1, you will see the ToD and AoD. The question often comes up of when will the person become the beast. Between the ToD and AoD, there will some events taking place including the person becoming this beast. In this chart I zoom in between the ToD and AoD.... to show the events leading into the person becoming the beast.

 

[parousia70]

Everyone knows The Best Charts are always being updated in order to Keep those goalposts moving!

 

[Douggg]

Here is my main critical path of events chart for the 7 years. Just follow the red line beginning in the upper left hand corner down to the lower right hand corner.

 

[Douggg]

This chart features the enveloping 7th seal opened in Revelation 8:1 introducing the trumpet judgements.

Likewise, the 7th angel sounding, the third woe is enveloping to the first and second woes. The enveloping aspect is what confuses most people, I think.

 

[keras]

Why don't you just write on 21 cards; each one of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls. Then shuffle those cards and write a chart in the sequence they are dealt out? Probably be better that the rubbish you promote here.

You do know the penalty for messing with Revelation, don't you? Just try. for once; to put Revelation into the sequence as given. Might be a revelation for you!

 

[Douggg]

Why don't you just write on 21 cards; each one of the Seals, Trumpets and Bowls. Then shuffle those cards and write a chart in the sequence they are dealt out? Probably be better that the rubbish you promote here.

You do know the penalty for messing with Revelation, don't you? Just try. for once; to put Revelation into the sequence as given. Might be a revelation for you!

Don't take it out on me, if you don't know how to make time-line charts using a graphics program to create them so that they can be included in your posts.

You learned how type and use a keyboard - right ? So you are able make posts in these forums.

Making timeline charts of end times events takes effort, keras. Both technically and study of the bible.... and most of all, God opening one's understanding.

 

[keras]

Don't take it out on me,

The Lord will do that, to all who teach, rewards to those who kept to the proper, given sequence of evets and severe Judgment to those who taught falsehoods. James 3:1
I have posted a list of the Biblically correct sequence of things to happen in our future. If people reject it, thats not my concern.
Charts; no matter how nicely set out, can be confusing. By now, you should know this, as many others have criticised your efforts.

I looked again at your post #9 and just your placement and misuse of the Seventh Seal, shows your error and lack of understanding of what Revelation 8:1 actually says.

 

[Douggg]

The Lord will do that, to all who teach, rewards to those who kept to the proper, given sequence of evets and severe Judgment to those who taught falsehoods. James 3:1
I have posted a list of the Biblically correct sequence of things to happen in our future. If people reject it, thats not my concern.
Charts; no matter how nicely set out, can be confusing. By now, you should know this, as many others have criticised your efforts.

I looked again at your post #9 and just your placement and misuse of the Seventh Seal, shows your error and lack of understanding of what Revelation 8:1 actually says.

The Seventh Seal, Jesus opens in Revelation 8:1 because is not a linear time-wise progression of the first Six Seals in Revelation 6.

The Seventh Seal opened reveals the 7 trumpet judgements.

Since the rider on the white horse is the Antichrist false messiah figure, given a crown, anointed as the King of Israel, during that time there will be a false messianic age. Both shown on my chart.

The Antichrist time ends when he commits the ToD act, the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4, shattering the world saying peace and safety. I show the ToD act on my as the end of Seal 1.

Peace taken from the world as God brings strangers, persons outside of the Antichrist's circle of ten EU leaders, to assassinate him. Ezekiel 28:1-10.

The revealed man, the slain Antichrist, come back to life not long after being assassinated. The revealed man of sin, back to life, is the beast from that point forward to his end when he will be cast alive into the lake of fire.

The false prophet has a statue image made of the beast and placed on the temple mount, the AoD abomination of desolation, setup. I show on my chart as the Great Tribulation then beginning, as well as when the Seventh Seal time-frame of events begin, once the AoD is setup.

So that explains my placement of the Seventh Seal.

 

[Timtofly]

So that explains my placement of the Seventh Seal.

That explains man's added theory that Revelation is a series of parallel accounts all saying the same thing.

Many would state the seals started at the Cross. The Trumpets started at the Cross, etc, etc.

Except the Seals are not saying the same thing as Revelation 13. They are not even saying the same thing as the 7 Trumpets.

It seems that no one is going to even understand the Seals until after the Second Coming. No one even seems to understand the 5th and 6th Seals are the Second Coming describing Zechariah 14 and the Olivet Discourse. 2 Peter 3:10 is describing the 6th Seal.

When the 7th Seal is opened up, names are going to start being removed from the Lamb's book of life that was sealed with 7 seals from the foundation of the world. That is the purpose of the 7th Seal. The final harvest is the removal of many from the Lamb's book of life. The final harvest is carried out by the angels and Jesus on the earth, not by the church which was removed in the 5th Seal.

The problem is that most think the Second Coming is at the end of the book, so they have to have parallel accounts as their theory how it all lines up. Some want a seperate rapture from the Second Coming that contradicts Paul. Some want to reason Paul's last Trumpet is the 7th Trumpet of John. So they have to reason the 7th Trumpet happens at the same time as the 7th vial. Then some throw the 7th Seal into the same time frame as ending with the 7th Trumpet and the 7th vial. Then the worse point is trying to get it all to fit into a 7 year time frame prophecied about Antiochus Epiphanes and the yearly observance of Hanukkah. Something about double fulfillment or history repeats itself. We are to understand the AoD, not to theorize history repeating itself or double fulfillment.

 

[keras]

The Seventh Seal, Jesus opens in Revelation 8:1 because is not a linear time-wise progression of the first Six Seals in Revelation 6.

The Seventh Seal opened reveals the 7 trumpet judgements.

The Seventh Seal will be opened at the same time as the Sixth Seal. It simply gives us the time period from then until the glorious Return.
Which is 'about' 20 years earth time, using the formula given to us in Psalms 90:4 and 2 Peter 3:8 - 1/48th of a day in heaven equals 1/48th of a thousand years on earth.
What triggers the Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, is not the 7th Seal, but Satan sitting in the Temple and saying he is God.

Since the rider on the white horse is the Antichrist false messiah figure, given a crown, anointed as the King of Israel, during that time there will be a false messianic age. Both shown on my chart.

Both figments of your imagination.

When the 7th Seal is opened up, names are going to start being removed from the Lamb's book of life that was sealed with 7 seals from the foundation of the world. That is the purpose of the 7th Seal. The final harvest is the removal of many from the Lamb's book of life. The final harvest is carried out by the angels and Jesus on the earth, not by the church which was removed in the 5th Seal.

I have seen plenty of wild and wacky interpretations of scripture, this lot takes the prize!

Douggg's finding a King of Israel in Revelation 6:2, comes a close second.

 

[Douggg]

What triggers the Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and the 7 Bowls, is not the 7th Seal, but Satan sitting in the Temple and saying he is God.

No, that is not what triggers the Great Tribulation, but the abomination of desolation statue image setup, Daniel 12:11-12.

The abomination of desolation set up - then 1290 days to the sign of the Son of man in heaven. Matthew 24:30a

The abomination of desolation set up - then 1335 days to Jesus's Second Coming with power and great glory. Matthew 24:30b

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

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Once Satan is cast down to earth in Revelation 12:7-9, having a time/times/half time that he will have left, Satan will indwell the statue image, placed out in the open on the temple mount, viewable, that people will be required to worship.

The destruction of that statue image will be at Jesus's Second Coming, which Jesus will causes the statue image to be turned to ashes, exposing Satan physically there on the temple mount.. to be seen by the kings of the earth and their armies in Jerusalem, and all present that day.

It is in Ezekiel 28:16-19.

16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

[keras]

No, that is not what triggers the Great Tribulation, but the abomination of desolation statue image setup

You are wrong that the statue as described in Revelation 13:15, causes the GT.
It is plain that the statue is built after the Satanic beast works miracles and deludes the inhabitants to believe him. Revelation 13:13-14

It is your incorrect placement of the extra 30 and 75 days, to before the glorious Return, that causes confusion and error.
They fit properly after Jesus Returns. Proved by the exact time to Atonement and Hanukkah.

 

[Douggg]

You are wrong that the statue as described in Revelation 13:15, causes the GT.
It is plain that the statue is built after the Satanic beast works miracles and deludes the inhabitants to believe him. Revelation 13:13-14

It is your incorrect placement of the extra 30 and 75 days, to before the glorious Return, that causes confusion and error.
They fit properly after Jesus Returns. Proved by the exact time to Atonement and Hanukkah.

There are no "extra" 30 and 75 days.

The building of the statue image in Revelation 13:13-14 is about the person who becomes the beast. The person is killed and comes back to life before the 42 months begin. (he shows up on the beast coming out of the sea, as the already mortally wounded/healed head) So the statue image is made and placed on the temple mount before the 42 months begins. On day 1185.

The ToD, transgression of desolation act by the Antichrist will be around 3 years into the 7 years. We are not given enough information to pinpoint it.

 

[keras]

There are no "extra" 30 and 75 days.

Revelation tells us in 3 ways about the 3 1/2 years, 42 months and 1260 days, which all refer to the time from when Satan, aka the beast; sits in the Temple and stops the sacrifice, to the glorious Return of Jesus. Exactly the mid point of the final 7 years.

Then in Daniel 12:11-12 two other times are given: 1290 days and 1335 days. To place those extra days before the Return cannot be right, as they don't fit with any Prophecy, but they do fit with special days after the Return. Jesus will Return on the Day of Tabernacles and Hanukkah is exactly 75 days later, on Kislev 25 when the Temple will be re-dedicated.

 

[pasifika]

Revelation tells us in 3 ways about the 3 1/2 years, 42 months and 1260 days, which all refer to the time from when Satan, aka the beast; sits in the Temple and stops the sacrifice, to the glorious Return of Jesus. Exactly the mid point of the final 7 years.

Then in Daniel 12:11-12 two other times are given: 1290 days and 1335 days. To place those extra days before the Return cannot be right, as they don't fit with any Prophecy, but they do fit with special days after the Return. Jesus will Return on the Day of Tabernacles and Hanukkah is exactly 75 days later, on Kislev 25 when the Temple will be re-dedicated.

Hi @keras how about the return to be on the wheat harvest season, indicate by the parable of the harvest.