My bros and sisters who are voting 3rd party, why are you voting 3rd party over Kamala and Trump?

[durangodawood]

I voted once in my life, when I accepted Jesus as my Lord and Savior.

Interesting to learn that God established a democracy.

 

[AlexB23]

Thank you for the suggestion. I looked at his site and like some of his positions and the general observation that the two parties have moved to the extremes. I didn't know ASP was a thing, to be honest.

You are welcome, brother. I am glad to be of service.

 

[AlexB23]

What do you hope to achieve by voting 3rd party?

To rebel against the current establishment. JK

Actually, it is because both the left and the right have become too polarized (ahem, Tea Party on the far-right, and woke stuff on the far-left). I hope to get the third party on the news, so that more people can vote for third party in 2028. If even 5% of people voted 3rd party, that could make it onto the news, and then the news could do a piece on the third party. In other words, generate publicity.



From Pew (wish we had some 2024 data, but the year is not over):

Political Polarization in the American Public

Republicans and Democrats are more divided along ideological lines – and partisan antipathy is deeper and more extensive – than at any point in recent history. And these trends manifest themselves in myriad ways, both in politics and in everyday life.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[durangodawood]

To rebel against the current establishment. JK

Actually, it is because both the left and the right have become too polarized (ahem, Tea Party on the far-right, and woke stuff on the far-left). I hope to get the third party on the news, so that more people can vote for third party in 2028. If even 5% of people voted 3rd party, that could make it onto the news, and then the news could do a piece on the third party. In other words, generate publicity.



From Pew (wish we had some 2024 data, but the year is not over):

Political Polarization in the American Public

Republicans and Democrats are more divided along ideological lines – and partisan antipathy is deeper and more extensive – than at any point in recent history. And these trends manifest themselves in myriad ways, both in politics and in everyday life.

www.pewresearch.org

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If the gaining publicity tactic had worked at all, ever, then Id see the point. But people have been doing what youre doing forever. And typically theyve achieved nothing. The only thing they have achieved is occasionally helping their worst choice of candidate into office.

I think you need a better tactic.

 

[eleos1954]

Can you express why you are supporting your third party candidate? What does he/she stand for, what has he/she accomplished that garners your vote over the Democrats and Republicans?

For myself, I may vote 3rd party, cos I am tired of the woke stuff, but also not a fan of the rhetoric from the current Republican party.

American Solidarity Party:

American Solidarity Party - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Libertarians:

Libertarian Party (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of 3rd party candidates:

Third-party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

It's a difficult thing ... I hear what you are saying ... however we are pretty much locked into a 2 party system. So why is that? I think it's money driven (donations for political advertising)... quite honestly ... I think that way of doing things should be totally eliminated .... debates paid for by the tax payer and televised on Cspan ... this would allow for "other party candidates" to be seen and heard.

It would be extremely rare for a 3rd party candidate to garner enough votes to be elected ... if it looks like victory would be impossible then one is left with vote democratic or vote republican or not vote at all ... if you vote for a "dead horse" (3rd party) then why vote at all?

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Amen to that. I want a party that is pro-life from womb to tomb (except in emergencies such as incest and rape), pro-environment, anti-woke, and focuses on merit, not race.

I would like the same thing also for the USA. I hear a lot of rumours about a possible civil war for you guys, I will pray It will not come to that. In Canada we have a super WOKE liberal government the other extreme would be our conservative party, I wont vote either way, I will wait a bit to see what the other parties come with, as a program, In any case they all make promises but do not keep them....

Blessings.

 

[AlexB23]

If the gaining publicity tactic had worked at all, ever, then Id see the point. But people have been doing what youre doing forever. And typically theyve achieved nothing. The only thing they have achieved is occasionally helping their worst choice of candidate into office.

I think you need a better tactic.

Yeah, we do. Sadly, the two party system is broken. There is not much we can do.

 

[AlexB23]

It's a difficult thing ... I hear what you are saying ... however we are pretty much locked into a 2 party system. So why is that? I think it's money driven (donations for political advertising)... quite honestly ... I think that way of doing things should be totally eliminated .... debates paid for by the tax payer and televised on Cspan ... this would allow for "other party candidates" to be seen and heard.

It would be extremely rare for a 3rd party candidate to garner enough votes to be elected ... if it looks like victory would be impossible then one is left with vote democratic or vote republican or not vote at all ... if you vote for a "dead horse" (3rd party) then why vote at all?

Yeah. America was doomed from the start, or as soon as two parties took the majority.

 

[AlexB23]

I would like the same thing also for the USA. I hear a lot of rumours about a possible civil war for you guys, I will pray It will not come to that. In Canada we have a super WOKE liberal government the other extreme would be our conservative party, I wont vote either way, I will wait a bit to see what the other parties come with, as a program, In any case they all make promises but do not keep them....

Blessings.

Thank you for the prayers for the USA. I'd say, for Canada, hold your nose, and vote for the Canadian conservatives, anything to get rid of the woke, death party in Canada. So yes, vote conservative for now, until a new program or compromise is made. At least Canadians conservatives are not as far-right as American conservatives.

 

[durangodawood]

Yeah, we do. Sadly, the two party system is broken. There is not much we can do.

Maine went to RCV type voting for various offices. Something similar is probably the answer. Would require a lot of political effert to make it the norm nationwide tho.

The Effect of Ranked-Choice Voting in Maine | MIT Election Lab

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Thank you for the prayers for the USA. I'd say, for Canada, hold your nose, and vote for the Canadian conservatives, anything to get rid of the woke, death party in Canada. So yes, vote conservative for now, until a new program or compromise is made. At least Canadians conservatives are not as far-right as American conservatives.

You are right, It might come to the fact I will have to vote conservative to oust the liberal MEGA WOKE government, the sad part is for the last 20 years I have not voted for a party i believed in , but I voted only to get rid of the ""bad Guys""in power, really sad.

 

[AlexB23]

You are right, It might come to the fact I will have to vote conservative to oust the liberal MEGA WOKE government, the sad part is for the last 20 years I have not voted for a party i believed in , but I voted only to get rid of the ""bad Guys""in power, really sad.

Yeah, the last 20 years is the same in the US. In the 1990s and before, both parties were likable and halfway decent, while nowadays, everything is polarized and highly partisan. None of the ideologies line up. But yes, vote conservative in Canada on or before October 2025.

 

[AlexB23]

Maine went to RCV type voting for various offices. Something similar is probably the answer. Would require a lot of political effert to make it the norm nationwide tho.

The Effect of Ranked-Choice Voting in Maine | MIT Election Lab

Ranked choice voting would be a good idea for other states.

 

[WolfGate]

I will almost surely vote for a third party candidate, for a couple of reasons.

First, as a policy based traditional conservative neither the Democrats nor the Republicans represent what I believe. The Republicans used to be pretty close, but this new evolution of the GOP is no longer conservative in the good sense. So, I'm considering finding a candidate who more closely aligns with conservative views.

Second, given I am dissatisfied with what the two parties are providing us, it makes sense to do anything, however small, to help break the duopoly those parties have on the election marketing process. The biggest thing among those is the debates, which have a 15% polling requirement that guarantees third parties can't qualify, and by not letting them qualify it keeps people from hearing their ideas on the biggest stage which might help them grow support. So anything that would apply pressure to changing that, such as a unexpectedly high percent from a candidate, is a good thing.

In all honesty, my vote for President is meaningless if I look at it from helping determine who wins the electoral college votes from my state. I live in a deep red state which will vote for the Republican candidate no matter what. My biggest opportunity to actually influence is in the Republican primaries where I support candidate who have conservative policy ideas that are focused on improving the opportunity to succeed for everyone. Those are hard to find right now, but particularly at the state level we still have some. If I lived in a purple state, I would seriously consider voting for Harris because I would really like for the MAGA/traditional Republican internal conflict to be won by the traditionals - and Trump losing would potentially help in that regards.

 

[AlexB23]

I will almost surely vote for a third party candidate, for a couple of reasons.

First, as a policy based traditional conservative neither the Democrats nor the Republicans represent what I believe. The Republicans used to be pretty close, but this new evolution of the GOP is no longer conservative in the good sense. So, I'm considering finding a candidate who more closely aligns with conservative views.

Second, given I am dissatisfied with what the two parties are providing us, it makes sense to do anything, however small, to help break the duopoly those parties have on the election marketing process. The biggest thing among those is the debates, which have a 15% polling requirement that guarantees third parties can't qualify, and by not letting them qualify it keeps people from hearing their ideas on the biggest stage which might help them grow support. So anything that would apply pressure to changing that, such as a unexpectedly high percent from a candidate, is a good thing.

In all honesty, my vote for President is meaningless if I look at it from helping determine who wins the electoral college votes from my state. I live in a deep red state which will vote for the Republican candidate no matter what. My biggest opportunity to actually influence is in the Republican primaries where I support candidate who have conservative policy ideas that are focused on improving the opportunity to succeed for everyone. Those are hard to find right now, but particularly at the state level we still have some. If I lived in a purple state, I would seriously consider voting for Harris because I would really like for the MAGA/traditional Republican internal conflict to be won by the traditionals - and Trump losing would potentially help in that regards.

Amen to this, and thank you for supporting a third party. The new GOP is not what it was back in the John McCain and Romney days (2000s), or even further back as in the Nixon days (1970s). 15% polling requirement is messed up for debates. It seems that dark spiritual forces has made America a two-party system for a reason, to spread as much division as possible. It is no coincidence why we have a near 50-50 division between Dems and the GOP.

Other Western countries may have many more parties to choose from.

 

[KingdomLeast]

Interesting to learn that God established a democracy.

Sure did, you can either accept Him and live, or reject him and die.

 

[Valletta]

Can you express why you are supporting your third party candidate? What does he/she stand for, what has he/she accomplished that garners your vote over the Democrats and Republicans?

For myself, I may vote 3rd party, cos I am tired of the woke stuff, but also not a fan of the rhetoric from the current Republican party.

American Solidarity Party:

American Solidarity Party - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Libertarians:

Libertarian Party (United States) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

List of 3rd party candidates:

Third-party and independent candidates for the 2024 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

I've voted for a presidential candidate not from the two major parties three or four times. The two major parties, and the major media, work to keep candidates out of the system. Having dealt a lot with politicians I know how much our country needs people outside of the establishment. Corruption becomes more and more entrenched.

 

[durangodawood]

Sure did, you can either accept Him and live, or reject him and die.

Not getting how that maps onto the idea of a democracy, which is a system where power ultimately resides in we the people.

 

[AlexB23]

I've voted for a presidential candidate not from the two major parties three or four times. The two major parties, and the major media, work to keep candidates out of the system. Having dealt a lot with politicians I know how much our country needs people outside of the establishment. Corruption becomes more and more entrenched.

So true, corruption has become more entrenched, and more prominent on both sides. Lobbying is one of those ways where corruption seeps into the government. I might want to go with Peter Sonski, even if he may not win, at least he stands for Catholic Christian values, but at the same time, without forcing Christianity on others.

What was your favorite 3rd party candidate that you have voted for?

 

[AlexB23]

Not getting how that maps onto the idea of a democracy, which is a system where power ultimately resides in we the people.

I think he is trying to say that God gave us free will (Proverbs 16:9), an essential part of a democracy, the freedom to vote for whoever works the best.