My Big Bang Challenge

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

The Grand Canyon is not a product of "geological activity over time."

It occurred in a [pun intended] split second.

The geological evidence of the GC itself indicates otherwise. Of course, there's always the idea that God gave it a fake geological history to fool us...

 

[inquiring mind]

The geological evidence of the GC itself indicates otherwise. Of course, there's always the idea that God gave it a fake geological history to fool us...

And, its always possible that geologists can't really distinguish between 'a little water and a lot of time' and ' a lot of water in a little time.'

 

[VirOptimus]

And, its always possible that geologists can't really distinguish between 'a little water and a lot of time' and ' a lot of water in a little time.'

Write an article for peer review if you have other views.

If you cant, well then your views dont matter.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Perhaps Georges Lemaître didn't get the memo?

given that there was no memo

 

[Mr Laurier]

If you don't like what a scientist called it (primordial atom), then what do you call this "baby universe"?

And the big "If".
the "If" that rests on a presupposition already refuted.
What I like, does not matter.
What I dont like... again DOES NOT MATTER.

 

[inquiring mind]

Write an article for peer review if you have other views.

If you cant, well then your views dont matter.

You can't possibly imagine how little I care about that.

 

[AV1611VET]

And the big "If".
the "If" that rests on a presupposition already refuted.
What I like, does not matter.
What I dont like... again DOES NOT MATTER.

Then I'll go ahead and call it what he called it: Primordial Atom.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

And, its always possible that geologists can't really distinguish between 'a little water and a lot of time' and ' a lot of water in a little time.'

Well, they're the experts and they say there are multiple lines of evidence that indicate it took a very long time to make. So whose word has the most credibility - the many experts in a field of science dedicated to just this kind of study, that have studied it for many years, or some bloke off the internet who believes mythical stories are real?

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Then I'll go ahead and call it what he called it: Primordial Atom.

What's in a name? Although it might help if you understand that it bears no relation to what an atom means today or even in Democritus' time. Le Maitre was speculating, and it turns out not to be quite what he speculated.

 

[VirOptimus]

You can't possibly imagine how little I care about that.

I already know your stance on science.

 

[inquiring mind]

Well, they're the experts and they say there are multiple lines of evidence that indicate it took a very long time to make. So whose word has the most credibility - the many experts in a field of science dedicated to just this kind of study, that have studied it for many years, or some bloke off the internet who believes mythical stories are real?

Well, as Twain said, “A man can’t be comfortable without his own approval.”

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Well, as Twain said, “A man can’t be comfortable without his own approval.”

As Hume said, “He is happy whom circumstances suit his temper; but he is more excellent who suits his temper to any circumstance.”

 

[AV1611VET]

What's in a name? Although it might help if you understand that it bears no relation to what an atom means today or even in Democritus' time. Le Maitre was speculating, and it turns out not to be quite what he speculated.

I'm well aware of that.

What do you suggest I call it?

 

[Hans Blaster]

And, its always possible that geologists can't really distinguish between 'a little water and a lot of time' and ' a lot of water in a little time.'

Well they at least *think* they can.

For example, in contrast to the Grand Canyon of the Colorado, the

Channeled Scablands - Wikipedia

and the

Dells of the Wisconsin River - Wikipedia

come from the catastrophic and sudden draining of Glacial Lakes Missoula and Wisconsin, respectively.

The land forms are quite different than of slowly carved canyons.

 

[inquiring mind]

Well they at least *think* they can.

For example, in contrast to the Grand Canyon of the Colorado, the

Channeled Scablands - Wikipedia

and the

Dells of the Wisconsin River - Wikipedia

come from the catastrophic and sudden draining of Glacial Lakes Missoula and Wisconsin, respectively.

The land forms are quite different than of slowly carved canyons.

Maybe in the case of the GC there was more water than they can imagine.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Maybe in the case of the GC there was more water than they can imagine.

My point was that the geologists know the difference and that the Grand Canyon is clearly a slowly formed gash in the rock and it eroded slowly (ie, not in a flood). Any attempt to counter argue that enters into fantasy geology or requires a deity to form the canyon quickly in a shape that *looks* like it took a long time.

[ horseshoe canyon dot gif ]

 

[AV1611VET]

My point was that the geologists know the difference and that the Grand Canyon is clearly a slowly formed gash in the rock and it eroded slowly (ie, not in a flood). Any attempt to counter argue that enters into fantasy geology or requires a deity to form the canyon quickly in a shape that *looks* like it took a long time.

Why didn't the Mississippi River do the same thing?

 

[inquiring mind]

And then there was Mount St. Helens, which was observable and on a much lesser scale than the Biblical Flood:
RAPID EROSION AT MOUNT ST. HELENS

 

[Yttrium]

Why didn't the Mississippi River do the same thing?

Kind of a time frame issue there, not to mention different geologic conditions, not to mention ice age glacier formations. A thousands-of-years-old Mississippi River versus a millions-of-years-old Colorado River.

 

[Yttrium]

And then there was Mount St. Helens, which was observable and on a much lesser scale than the Biblical Flood:
RAPID EROSION AT MOUNT ST. HELENS

Hey, sand dunes can erode even faster! That proves that the Grand Canyon could have been gouged out in a day, right? I mean, different materials wouldn't erode at different rates, would they?