My Big Bang Challenge

[VirOptimus]

Do you agree with Conservapedia in this respect?

If not, don't throw the baby ("evolutionist") out with the bathwater.

Even a broken clock tells the right time twice a day.

Evolutionist is a pretty useless term.

Biological evolution=observed phenomena (ie fact).

The theory of evolution —> explains how biological evolution works.

Do you use conservapedia for factfinding?

 

[AV1611VET]

Evolutionist is a pretty useless term.

But not obsolete.

And if it is so useless, why hasn't it been updated?

Remember Pluto? and how they had to change the definition of "planet"?

Biological evolution ...

Again, let's stick with cosmic evolution please.

The biological life that emanated from the Disaster of 13.8 is only a drop in the bucket on its way to thermal equilibrium.

 

[VirOptimus]

But not obsolete.

And if it is so useless, why hasn't it been updated?

Remember Pluto? and how they had to change the definition of "planet"?



Again, let's stick with cosmic evolution please.

The biological life that emanated from the Disaster of 13.8 is only a drop in the bucket on its way to thermal equilibrium.

The term evolutionist is never used for what you call ”cosmic evolution”.

Your whole ”argument” is just (as usual) semantic nonsense that shows your ignorance on the subject.

 

[AV1611VET]

The term evolutionist is never used for what you call ”cosmic evolution”.

Perhaps Harvard hasn't gotten the memo yet?

To the cosmic evolutionist, planets, stars, nebulae, novae, galaxies, and all the rest are of vital significance if we are to realize our human place in the big picture.

SOURCE

 

[VirOptimus]

Perhaps Harvard hasn't gotten the memo yet?


SOURCE

Your quote, ”cosmic evolutionist”. QED.

But this is just meaningless semantics.

 

[Bradskii]

From my standpoint, and surely anyone's, the answer is no. But, through our actions we have made it a world of good and bad... and when people use poor judgment, it seems as though its always the innocent that pay, even Jesus suffered because of this.

Ye shall reap that which thou sows. It seems just. But punishing the innocent is not. And Jesus chose his fate. It's called sacrifice.

 

[Bradskii]

It literally flies to pieces.

It's not often that we're in agreement. But we are in this case. Neither of us believes that.

 

[AV1611VET]

Neither of us believes that.

Are we inside the walls of this atom, are we?

 

[Bradskii]

Are we inside the walls of this atom, are we?

If you're intent on denying that something happened it would be wise to investigate what people say happened in the first instance. It's somewhat frustrating to have to explain what it is you are trying to reject.

 

[inquiring mind]

Ye shall reap that which thou sows. It seems just. But punishing the innocent is not. And Jesus chose his fate. It's called sacrifice.

I didn't say anything about punishing the innocent; I said it seems the innocent pay for other's poor judgment. Jesus accepted His fate, which was payment for sinners.

 

[Bradskii]

I didn't say anything about punishing the innocent; I said it seems the innocent pay for other's poor judgment. Jesus accepted His fate, which was payment for sinners.

If I gamble all I own on some Ponzi scheme, then my children's inheritence will dissapear and they will suffer my poor judgment. But God didn't just punish Adam. He punished literally everyone.

Should we open a poll to see how many think that's a just action?

 

[AV1611VET]

If you're intent on denying that something happened ...

Denying something happened!!!??

If it did happen, it should be considered the greatest universal natural disaster that ever occurred.

Yes ... I do personally deny it happened.

But that's because I believe God created the universe ex nihilo.

If I didn't deny it though, I would call it the Disaster of 13.8

 

[Bradskii]

Denying something happened!!!??

If it did happen, it should be considered the greatest universal natural disaster that ever occurred.

Yes ... I do personally deny it happened.

But that's because I believe God created the universe ex nihilo.

If I didn't deny it though, I would call it the Disaster of 13.8

So the world exists as it does. And if it happened exactly as it is naturally, it's a disaster. But if God actually intended it to be exactly as it is, then that's just fine.

Have you really thought this through?

 

[AV1611VET]

So the world exists as it does. And if it happened exactly as it is naturally, it's a disaster.

More like this world is a product of a disaster.

One that occurred in 13,800,000,000 BC.

 

[Shemjaza]

More like this world is a product of a disaster.

One that occurred in 13,800,000,000 BC.

You're repeating this, but it still doesn't make any sense.

It may not even be possible to determine or even describe what existed before the big bang, so it no longer existing once the Universe began can hardly be seen a such a great loss as to be a disaster.

 

[inquiring mind]

If I gamble all I own on some Ponzi scheme, then my children's inheritence will dissapear and they will suffer my poor judgment. But God didn't just punish Adam. He punished literally everyone.

Should we open a poll to see how many think that's a just action?

I don't think the poll is necessary, but if you're really interested, this article addresses your question:
Why Do We Get Punished for What Adam Did?

 

[Bradskii]

More like this world is a product of a disaster.

One that occurred in 13,800,000,000 BC.

There are two options. You think this world is a disaster or you do not. And there are two ways either could have happened. Naturally or by deistic fiat.

Which is your position?

 

[Bradskii]

I don't think the poll is necessary, but if you're really interested, this article addresses your question:
Why Do We Get Punished for What Adam Did?

It doesn't answer the problem. It simply confirms that it exists.

 

[AV1611VET]

It may not even be possible to determine or even describe what existed before the big bang,

Once upon a time the only thing in the universe was a Primordial Atom.

In fact, the Primordial Atom was the universe.

Then a universal natural disaster occurred.

The Primordial Atom expanded.

To its horror, its diameter increased and increased and increased, as it spilled its guts out.

Growing fatter and fatter and fatter with each passing day.

Then, billions of years later, life appeared in one of its tiny quadrants.

Stop this! said the Atom! What's happening to me!?

He kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger, as the life that was now on him began to die and decay, along with the rest of the Atom.

Eventually, the Atom itself died.

Frozen to death by thermal equilibrium.

The End

 

[inquiring mind]

It doesn't answer the problem. It simply confirms that it exists.

Jesus is the answer to the problem.