My Apple Challenge II

[HitchSlap]

Faith is a small seed that grows into a magnificent tree. Its kindled fire burning within the heart. Its a gift from God.

Faith is an excuse to believe in unreasonable assertions, and defended against all reason.

 

[HitchSlap]

Isn't that what love is about?

"What's love got to do with it. What's love, but a second hand emotion."

 

[Kylie]

Isn't that what love is about?

No. Love is not about things being true just because they make you warm and fuzzy.

 

[AV1611VET]

Faith is an excuse to believe in unreasonable assertions,

Like the Israelites in the wilderness?

 

[W2L]

No. Love is not about things being true just because they make you warm and fuzzy.

love is about trusting the one you love, and felling love for them in your heart

 

[Kylie]

love is about trusting the one you love, and felling love for them in your heart

Yeah, so?

It is not a way of finding out what is true or not.

 

[Kylie]

Like the Israelites in the wilderness?

Did that really happen? Apart from the story in the Bible, is there any evidence it happened?

 

[W2L]

Yeah, so?

It is not a way of finding out what is true or not.

Sure it is. Love enters my heart because God put it there. Its proof he exists. I could not love a fake God. Of course you will think this is foolishness because you don't have his spirit inside you.

 

[AV1611VET]

Did that really happen?

Of course it really happened.

Apart from the story in the Bible, is there any evidence it happened?

I don't know if evidence was left behind or not.

Given that the Israelites vacated Egypt with just the clothes on their back; given that it was 200 years ago that scientists searched for evidence with what would today be considered substandard equipment; given that scientists would be searching for something they don't believe exists in the first place; I'd say that, even if there was evidence all over the place, scientists wouldn't recognize it.

They'd probably attribute it to Egypt or the Amalekites.

 

[W2L]

Faith is an excuse to believe in unreasonable assertions, and defended against all reason.

It can be but not always.

 

[W2L]

Atheists assert that this life is all there is. What evidence do we have? If I believed that I wouldn't waste time on the internet arguing about it, I would instead spend my time more wisely. Atheists know God exists, but they are in denial, and that's why they spend their life arguing about it.

 

[VirOptimus]

Atheists assert that this life is all there is. What evidence do we have? If I believed that I wouldn't waste time on the internet arguing about it, I would instead spend my time more wisely. Atheists know God exists, but they are in denial, and that's why they spend their life arguing about it.

Unsupported assertion.

If you want to preach, go to the appropriate forum, this is not the place.

 

[AV1611VET]

Unsupported assertion.

If you want to preach, go to the appropriate forum, this is not the place.

I agree with him.

 

[Kylie]

Of course it really happened.

Because it says so in the Bible. Right.

I don't know if evidence was left behind or not.

Given that the Israelites vacated Egypt with just the clothes on their back; given that it was 200 years ago that scientists searched for evidence with what would today be considered substandard equipment; given that scientists would be searching for something they don't believe exists in the first place; I'd say that, even if there was evidence all over the place, scientists wouldn't recognize it.

They'd probably attribute it to Egypt or the Amalekites.

How do you explain the fact that there is no mention by the Egyptians that more than half a million people - who were their labour force! - just got up and left? It would be rather difficult to hide that! And yet there's no real world evidence for it whatsoever!

 

[W2L]

How do you explain the fact that there is no mention by the Egyptians that more than half a million people - who were their labour force! - just got up and left? It would be rather difficult to hide that! And yet there's no real world evidence for it whatsoever!

Their Pride and politics wouldn't allow them to admit it. History is always flawed

 

[Kylie]

Their Pride and politics wouldn't allow them to admit it. History is always flawed

Yes, I'm sure that they were able to continue on with their lives as though the loss of a 600,000 strong labour force leaving their country never happened. It's not like they NEEDED such a big labour force, was it? I'm sure all the Egyptians were able to pick up the slack, despite never having done so in the past...

*rolls eyes*

 

[W2L]

Yes, I'm sure that they were able to continue on with their lives as though the loss of a 600,000 strong labour force leaving their country never happened. It's not like they NEEDED such a big labour force, was it? I'm sure all the Egyptians were able to pick up the slack, despite never having done so in the past...

*rolls eyes*

America did ok after the abolition of slavery

 

[W2L]

Also, I'm thinking that the Egyptians themselves must have had skilled workers besides the Israelites. They may have had other slaves as well. Its all speculation however, because it was so long ago. We cant even trust historical records made in the last 200 years, let alone many thousand years ago.

 

[Speedwell]

America did ok after the abolition of slavery

But the slaves didn't leave--they were still here to work as employees and sharecroppers.

 

[W2L]

But the slaves didn't leave--they were still here to work as employees and sharecroppers.

True, but Egypt wasn't without skilled farmers either. People didn't just get on welfare back then, you either grew food, worked for it, or starved. Why assume Egypt would fall over the loss of slaves? Why assume Egypt couldn't use their own people to grow food?