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Which is why you probably aren't the best person to judge whether or not this passage means alcoholic wine.
I can't, for the life of me, understand why some would smoke marijuana on their wedding day; but that doesn't mean I'm not qualified to judge whether or not Jesus turned the fig tree into a Cannabis sativa.
Pretty obvious that he didn't -- he killed it.
Why that particular passage is in there is interesting.
Just don't overlook the point I made.
But with "wine" that's different ... right?
With "wine," you suddenly become a Bible literalist?
Actually, with "wine," you have shown you are not a Bible literalist as you often claim to be. You are very selective and arbitrary with your "literal" interpretation of scripture. That is why when you claim that the Bible tells us there were actual unicorns in the past, or that evolution is wrong, we take it with a grain of salt (as you like to say).
you can be a literalist and say that the word for wine was also sometimes used for grape juice
but there are things that you have to prove
that the same word is used for both
another thing is that wine was used for Jewish ceremonies, like Passover
would they have been able to make grape juice in early spring?
Better yet, I could pack it in snow, place it underground, submerge it in water, or drink it right away.
In your opinion, how did they preserve milk?
There's still the roman influence to consider -- they made wine so strong it had to be cut with water in order to drink.
true
some people seem to think that ancient wine was weaker then modern wine....
that does not seem accurate
in fact, the strong wine that you mentioned seems to have been the norm around the world, the wine needed to be able to last without refrigeration, and to have enough alcohol to kill bacteria, of course ancient people did not really have a concept of bacteria, but basic trial and error showed which wines lasted longer and was better for the health
as for mixing water and wine, this is still done in the celebration of the Mass done by the Catholic Church
it is interesting to see how Roman and Medieval culture has influenced the Church in her practices and norms
I thought I wasn't a Bible literalist because I didn't buy into your "sun & moon standing still"?Actually, with "wine," you have shown you are not a Bible literalist as you often claim to be.
There's still the roman influence to consider -- they made wine so strong it had to be cut with water in order to drink.
I give up -- how much?How much snow was there where Jesus was for the wedding?
Hmmm.Milk didn't come into season but once a year.
That point I won't argue.They had a fresh supply every morning.
I thought the subject we're discussing is preservation, not fermentation?They also didn't describe milk in the Bible using a word for fermented milk.
And Jesus did the same thing? He made Roman wine, did He?
I give up -- how much?
In a land that "floweth with milk and honey," milk only comes into season but once a year?
I thought the subject we're discussing is preservation, not fermentation?
Feel sorry for AV if he thinks any ammount of Alcohol is a sin, They must no eat out at all.
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