My Advent Challenge

[AV1611VET]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

 

[HitchSlap]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

Same way I do now - no evidence.

 

[Mountainmike]

He does show up, in every valid Eucharist!

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

 

[Subduction Zone]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

What makes you think that Jesus would support your beliefs? There is no reason to think that Jesus was a literalist. If given evidence I could believe in a god but I would have a big problem with a lying god. And that is the problem. The evidence that tells us that there was no flood, that life evolved and there was no "Adam and Eve" as told in the Bible would make a literal "God" a lying one.

 

[AirPo]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

Wouldn't bother, since there's no need to. New data only affects the now, not the then.

 

[quatona]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent,

(Things he was reported to have done, to be precise.)
"Contrary to nature" - like what?

how would you pwn Him,

I´m not familiar with the term "pwn" - is that Christianese, taken from the KJV?
Wait, google helped me:
"(especially in video gaming) utterly defeat (an opponent or rival); completely get the better of" (oxforddictionaries.com)

I still have no idea what "how would you defeat Him" might mean, in this context. Defeat in which way, in which game?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

I´m not sure I understand why the fact that someone shows up now would suggest that he existed 2000 year ago.

 

[Chesterton]

I´m not familiar with the term "pwn" - is that Christianese, taken from the KJV?
Wait, google helped me:
"(especially in video gaming) utterly defeat (an opponent or rival); completely get the better of" (oxforddictionaries.com)

I still have no idea what "how would you defeat Him" might mean, in this context. Defeat in which way, in which game?

Some people enjoy debating things on internet forums, even on CF.

 

[quatona]

Some people enjoy debating things on internet forums, even on CF.

They debate with Jesus?

 

[Strathos]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

I wouldn't, because I haven't.

 

[Kylie]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

If Jesus was to appear in front of me and do things which violate the laws of nature (as I assume a god could), and I and others could thoroughly investigate those things (including very experienced scientists in the relevant fields) and all evidence pointed towards the fact that the individual standing before us was indeed Jesus, then I would admit that I had been wrong about the whole thing.

You see, unlike some people, I am both willing to change my viewpoint based on new information, and I am not so closed-minded as to refuse to accept evidence that weakens my current beliefs.

Now, how about you, AV? If something happened to prove to you that there was no God, was no embedded age and so on, would you be honest enough to change your viewpoint?

 

[AV1611VET]

If something happened to prove to you that there was no God, was no embedded age and so on, would you be honest enough to change your viewpoint?

No.

 

[Nithavela]

It boggles my mind that people still jump into this kind of thread while abandoning debates about new inventions or discoveries.

 

[AV1611VET]

It boggles my mind that people still jump into this kind of thread while abandoning debates about new inventions or discoveries.

Why debate new inventions or discoveries? are they getting paid for it?

Do you really think that someone, who has gone through half the day in EMPIRICAL ONLY mode, really wants to come here and yak about empirical inventions and discoveries?

Maybe they want to come here and unwind by telling Christians what they think of them?

You know ... relieve some tension?

 

[jayem]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

How would you know it's really Jesus? Doesn't Satan have supernatural powers? How would you know all these miraculous acts aren't products of The Great Deceiver? Or, for that matter, the actions of Loki, the Norse god of mischief? Or of an alien from an advanced civilization, who was sent to our planet to delude us?

 

[Kylie]

No.

A refreshingly honest answer.

And you have admitted to being closed minded and intellectually dishonest. Makes me wonder why you try justifying your position with that embedded age stuff at all, since you have just made it clear that you are going to believe whatever you want to believe. Why do you try to justify it?

 

[Heissonear]

If Jesus showed up today and did the exact same things He did contrary to nature that He did in His first advent, how would you pwn Him, using current knowledge from equipment, graphs, paradigms, blueprints, charts (pie, bar, polar, you name it), books, pamphlets, discussions, logic, math, astronomy, biology, geology, thermodynamics, gravity, zoology, plate tectonics, evolution models ... whatever?

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

Good post topic. Many could not grasp Jesus as God in the Flesh, despite the display of Power from Above before multitudes.

It would be the same now, in our time. Finding other reasons to explain away Power from Above.

 

[Kylie]

No.

A refreshingly honest answer.

And you have admitted to being closed minded and intellectually dishonest. Makes me wonder why you try justifying your position with that embedded age stuff at all, since you have just made it clear that you are going to believe whatever you want to believe. Why do you try to justify it?

No answer, AV? Why do you try to justify your embedded age idea when you are going to believe it whether it is justified or not?

 

[GrowingSmaller]

 

[Bungle_Bear]

How would you justify the fact that you've been claiming it never happened during His first advent, or that He never existed?

Two very different questions.

1. You'd pwn him in the same way you'd pwn any illusionist. If you can explain how David Copperfield fools you does that count as pwnage?
2. Any appearance now does nothing to prove existence 2000 years ago.

 

[AV1611VET]

No answer, AV? Why do you try to justify your embedded age idea when you are going to believe it whether it is justified or not?

There's a LOT of things I believe that you would probably considered unjustified.

Jesus walked on water.