Mutations Really Do Happen

[SkyWriting]

I'll rephrase it. What are the odds of any given selection that is made by natural selection? How many choices does natural selection have to select from for any given change? That should reveal some interesting odds.

What I find interesting is the amazing lack of diversity in between species.

I don't understand why there are not 100's of species in between species.

Rather than evolution being a theory, it should have 1000's of living
examples of what also is imagined to have occurred over time.

It's not like the world so crowded that there isn't room for a continuous
spectrum of missing links.

Instead, "Ring Species" are rare rather than the norm.

 

[SkyWriting]

That's part of the point of this thread, with the finding that everyone has maybe 50 mutations on average. Everyone has 50 little changes in their blueprint.

ETA: from the linked article the average number of de novo mutations was "roughly 42.7 per offspring"

I wouldn't repeat that number, implying it has value out of context.
The article says many interesting things.

"each individual might have 4-5 rare loss-of-function SNVs."
and
"that’s about 15,200 novel contributed variants per sequenced genome."
and
"Interestingly, the 1,917 such events observed across the entire cohort
were confined to 11 genes...which all seem to have high mutation tolerance."
and
"If you compare any individual’s genome to the human reference sequence,
you’ll find around 3 million differences. "


Massgenomics - Part 4

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Re my Burmese python thread, scientists hope that the species being decimated in the Everglades will 'evolve' enough awareness in time to survive. I think they have less time to do this than the Passenger pigeon had, which was unable to evolve enough fear to save itself.

 

[florida2]

Yes, yes...
education and knowledge are evil.

The desire for knowledge was the original sin in the Bible, something I find sadly apt for many Christians.

 

[selfinflikted]

The desire for knowledge was the original sin in the Bible...

And it's plainly obvious why.

 

[crjmurray]

I'll rephrase it. What are the odds of any given selection that is made by natural selection? How many choices does natural selection have to select from for any given change? That should reveal some interesting odds.

Odds are meaningless in this scenario. Go shuffle a deck of cards, then calculate the odds of the cards lining up in the particular order you shuffled them in. I'll wait here.

 

[selfinflikted]

Odds are meaningless in this scenario. Go shuffle a deck of cards, then calculate the odds of the cards lining up in the particular order you shuffled them in. I'll wait here.

Precisely.

 

[DerelictJunction]

What I find interesting is the amazing lack of diversity in between species.

I don't understand why there are not 100's of species in between species.

Rather than evolution being a theory, it should have 1000's of living
examples of what also is imagined to have occurred over time.

It's not like the world so crowded that there isn't room for a continuous
spectrum of missing links.

Instead, "Ring Species" are rare rather than the norm.

Ring species exist because the individual species don't live in the same place and compete for the same resources.

Why aren't there 1000's of living examples of in-between species between wolves and dogs? Because they weren't what was being bred, so they couldn't compete in the artificial selection environment and didn't have offspring.

We don't have 1000's of living examples of in-between species because the ones that are living were better at getting resources, so the in-between species couldn't compete in the natural selection environment and didn't have enough offspring for their species to continue existing.

The fact that you don't know this makes me wonder if you understand natural selection at all.

 

[bhsmte]

I'm waiting for science to calculate the odds against evolution. That should be part of the 'falsification' process. OBTW, the odds for special creation remain 100 per cent.

When that one person wins the huge lotto jackpot against tremendous odds, do they not give him the money, because the odds were so much against him?

 

[crjmurray]

No comments yet on the card shuffling issue..... Ya think they're all at home calculating the odds?

 

[[serious]]

I realize it's taught that way.

But in [Biblical] reality, there is no such thing as evolution.

Reality can take a hike.

Reality can take a hike.

reality can take a hike.

reality can take a hike.

According to your catch phrase, your [biblical] reality took a hike

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Odds are meaningless in this scenario. Go shuffle a deck of cards, then calculate the odds of the cards lining up in the particular order you shuffled them in. I'll wait here.

That's my point. The odds are so great that they are incalculable.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

When that one person wins the huge lotto jackpot against tremendous odds, do they not give him the money, because the odds were so much against him?

But unlike the losers in evolution the other ticket holders don't disappear without a trace.

 

[crjmurray]

That's my point. The odds are so great that they are incalculable.

Are you serious right now or are you screwing with me? Do you have zero reading comprehension? Go read the post you responded to, calculate the odds, then come back here and try to argue about odds.

 

[sfs]

That's my point. The odds are so great that they are incalculable.

You said the odds would be interesting. So what's interesting about this obvious fact?

 

[morse86]

Has anyone seen a DNA mutation occur realtime that isn't just a CGI animation? Has anyone even confirmed that DNA is real? Have you gone to the lab and actually confirmed this? Or do you only have second hand information from your "white lab coat psuedo scientists".

 

[crjmurray]

Has anyone seen a DNA mutation occur realtime that isn't just a CGI animation? Has anyone even confirmed that DNA is real? Have you gone to the lab and actually confirmed this? Or do you only have second hand information from your "white lab coat psuedo scientists".

You've hit a new low Morse.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Has anyone seen a DNA mutation occur realtime that isn't just a CGI animation? Has anyone even confirmed that DNA is real? Have you gone to the lab and actually confirmed this? Or do you only have second hand information from your "white lab coat psuedo scientists".

You should feel bad about writing this.

 

[crjmurray]

You should feel bad about writing this.

In his latest post he alleged that Stephen Hawking can't write all of his books or give his speeches because of his handicap. That's messed up.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Are you serious right now or are you screwing with me? Do you have zero reading comprehension? Go read the post you responded to, calculate the odds, then come back here and try to argue about odds.

I asked you all to calculate the odds.