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Muslims not created in the image of GOD?

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If man contains even a small part of the spirit of God, breathed into him with his life, then man can be compared with God. :wave:

It is probably important to say that, in making this comparison, Christians are very clear that God remains the Creator, and we remain part of creation. But when we say that all of mankind is made in the image of God, that tells us our duty towards our brothers and sisters; to behave towards them as we would behave towards God himself, because they contain part of his spirit, part of what he is.

This is what Our Lord taught us; 'Inasmuch as ye have done it unto the least of these, ye have done it unto me'.

In other words, alms given to the poorest and least beggar in the street, is given to God himself.

This is what it means to recognise that every man, woman and child on earth is made in the image of God.
No :) We don't have a small part of the spirit of Allah.We have a spirit from Allah.We got this through Adam since we come from Him.This is what makes us different from being only a body.."The insignificant quantity/amount" is the true term I think. Different words can mean very different things in these kind of matters. Compare is still wrong term,

Compare : show how (people or things) are alike or different; consider to be similar. comparison, contrast. compare\com*pare"\ , v. t. [imp. & p. p. compared ; p. pr. & vb. n. comparing.] [l. comparare, fr. compar like or equal to another; com- + par equal: cf. f. comparer. see: , peer an equal, and cf. compeer.].to examine the character or qualities of, as of two or more persons or things, for the purpose of discovering their resemblances or differences; to bring into comparison; to regard with discriminating attention. compare dead happiness with living woe. the place he found beyond expression bright, compared with aught on earth. compare our faces and be judge yourself. to compare great things with small

For example you can compare 1 to 100 or 1 to 1000.But you can't compare 1 to eternity.
 
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If you see any contradictions in what I say please point it out by all means but accusing me of double standards because I do find them... is not logical... just another red herings to distract from the issue at hand...

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I did. Image = physical appearance. Others said this was not the case. This is a contradiction. When I pointed this out, I was told I was "attacking" and being "combative", but when you do it, it is ok. That is another contradiction.

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It's called intellectual honesty. To educate you, agnostisism is the position of belief in regards to knowledge. I don't believe anyone can have access to absolute knowledge of any kind, which includes you. Therefore thoes who make absolute claims are wrong.



It's clear you have no clue what you are talking about.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgJmsK2s0uI

Nope. Again, it's called intellectual honesty.

actually its called "self-deception" and its not honest. Its extremely harmful and has an eternal repercussion.




There is nothing to reject. I reject the written myths from the Bronze age.

The bible is a history book.

Cool. What does it look like?


Ok, close your eyes and finish reading this post.. Of course you can't.
If your eyes are closed you only see darkness. Your eyes are closed.

GOD is the very foundation of truth that you fight so feverishly because if you open your eyes you will have to take a good look at yourself and repent. His forgiveness is instant. He will take that load off of your shoulders.. GOD loves you, more than you can imagine.

How can you hate something you don't believe exsists? Why do you hate Hercules?

Have you ever created anything from nothing? Do you know anyone in the entire lifespan of the world that ever created anything from nothing? GOD is the creator of all things.

you know.. like maybe you were born with a third nipple and you just can't understand why GOD would give you a third nipple when everyone else has two..

Only if you classify fantasy as truth.

So you claim the existance of Jesus Christ is fantasy? Hmm check the Old Roman Texts, bibles, even the quran.. clearly Jesus is real.. and if Jesus Christ is real.. was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was crucified and died for no crime, then resurrected from the dead... well then there isnt much left for fantasy to even play a part. The Son of GOD is Risen.


This is how you show love? Wow. I'd hate to be your enemy in that case.

You want me to hold your hand and coddle you.. maybe read you a bed time story and tuck you in? The Word is straight forward and clear.. For me to be fake and soft with sweet words is dishonest. If you are ever hearing and never understanding it is not my appointment to save you or to lead you anywhere.. GOD chooses.. so if He chooses to leave you out.. who am I to go against His judgement. Time is precious and for me to spend time talking to you when inside I feel the words spent will not be carried in or even evaluated.. is Love. I pray our Heavenly Father touches your heart, opens your mind, and oils the door to your eternal soul. May GOD Bless you with this Rasta.

GOD is the very foundation of Truth
GOD is Love
GOD is Good

Jesus is the Good Shepard.

With Love,
- Jefell
 
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Critizising Islam....while bringing in Christianity is quoque... and you know it...How about that for "intellectual honesty". Islam cannot stand alone and always has to attack Christianity to defend itself...You keep doing the same...You side with a religion that has monotheism....I wonder Rasta are you a deist and you always take their side of the argument? If you do how come?

I only post to provide balance to an argument. I am not a deist. I am an atheist. I'm not on anyone's side but the persuit for truth.

if you do not have absolute knowledge then why would anyone believe you over the authority of God and the Bible?

Because the "authority of god and the Bible" are not absolute truth. They are merely the perspectives of people who lived and died before the scientific method was commonly used. People are always searching for answers. When they can't answer them, they make up answers.

Do you realize what you just said contradicting your own words..... God's words are "always" superior to what me and you are saying and we are quoting what the revealed truths in the bible say....:thumbsup:

That's your opinion. Most of the world disagrees.

Prove it... Saying that the Koran cannot 'defend" its own god but has to say....."well.....Christians do this or that" is that intellectual honesty?? Your point is moot.

Yes that is intellectual honesty, and the point is not moot. If Christians are guilty of what they accuse Muslims of, that is hypocritical and makes YOUR argument moot.

You reject there is a God and its non-existance cannot be prover either way

I'm not convinced that any gods exsist. Just like Thor, Krishna, FSM, Vishnu, Anubis, Hercules, Posidon, the Easter Bunny, and many, many, many more can't be proven or disproven. I am just consistent with my beliefs.

Also God is not a physical being and of the physical realm.

Prove it please.

You deny any spiritual realm and that is your right. How this convience us that there is no God??? Beats me....

I am not convinced that anything "spiritual or magical" exsists. Well, if your argument is illogical, that should be your first clue that something is not right.

Sure you can because of your incapability to conceptualize who God is... you are trying to convience others of His non-existance.

I can conceptualize, that does not equate to belief. I'm not trying to convince you of his non-exsistence. Just showing that your claims are not logical.

I wonder why on earth Atheists are so adamant to persuade us of God's non-existance?

You seem stuck on this idea, perhaps you should create a thread.

Maybe of their own incecurity on that belief?

Not for me. I can't speak for everyone.

Religion existed since the beginning of the human race Bronze age testifies to the humans even believed their burried ancestors to be gods.

Yes. This is true. Yet the only thing that continues to survive from the Bronze age is the belief in supernatural. That is it.

This is an innate impulse in men that was bestowed by our Creator.

Prove it please. I think a much more rational answer is that man has always asked questions, when they don't have answers, they make them up. There is loads and loads of ancient beliefs that we no longer believe because of our understanding of science.

As atheists you might express that need in other various ways ....like materialism etc... still it is there and in your very existance.....

I'm not materialistic.

or spiritual realm that you do not realize...it exists.:angel:

That's a possibility, though very unlikely. If one shred of evidence exsisted to reinforce the idea of spirits and magical beings do exsist, you might have something.

Equating love of God with that of the human race....lovely Rasta. :doh::sorry:

How silly of me to think that he was talking to me.

Love of God as expressed is far from perfect. How about making a sweeping generalization and call a zealous christian or an Apostle a "less than average loving person"?

My comment was directed to one person. If you feel my comment applies to you too, I can't help that.

All our Apostles were not the same.... as I said before others were more vocal and others more pastoral... Jefell told you God loves you and he wants you to love Him back... How is this not "loving"? What does he have to gain to "spread the words of the Gospel" to you??? Nothing....It was out of his love for you to become a believer and turn to God. :doh::sorry:

He is reinforcing his own presuppositions of reality to make himself feel better about his judgment of others.

Have a beautiful Day :)

You too. Thanks.
 
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actually its called "self-deception" and its not honest. Its extremely harmful and has an eternal repercussion.

Sorry if I don't hold you as an authority on what honesty is.

The bible is a history book.

No it's not. Most Christians don't agree with you. I can prove that the earth is older than 5-6,000 years, or whatever you believe. Can you prove that the earth is young?

GOD is the very foundation of truth.

Cool. What does it look like?

Have you ever created anything from nothing?

Nope. That is physically impossible.

Do you know anyone in the entire lifespan of the world ever created anything from nothing? GOD is the creator of all things.

So, why do you hate Hercules?

you know.. like maybe you were born with a third nipple and you just can't understand why GOD would give you a third nipple when everyone else has two..

No. I have two nipples. . . . . .

So you claim the existance of Jesus Christ is fantasy?

Just like Odin, King Arthur, and Hercules. There may have been a man who inspired the myth, but that is it.

Hmm check the Old Roman Texts, bibles, even the quran.. clearly Jesus was real.. and if Jesus Christ is real.. was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, was crucified and died for no crime, then resurrected from the dead... well then there isnt much left for fantasy to even play a part. The Son of GOD is Risen.

This is just wishfull thinking. I don't think hearsay is proof or even good evidence.

You want me to hold your hand and coddle you.. maybe read you a bed time story and tuck you in? The Word is straight forward and clear.. For me to be fake and soft with sweet words is dishonest. If you are ever hearing and never understanding it is not my appointment to save you or to lead you anywhere.. GOD chooses.. so if He chooses to leave you out.. who am I to go against His judgement. Time is precious and for me to spend time talking to you when inside I feel the words spent will not be carried in or even evaluated.. is Love. I pray our Heavenly Father touches your heart, opens your mind, and oils the door to your eternal soul. May GOD Bless you with this Rasta.

Interesting opinion. Thanks for sharing.
 
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No :) We don't have a small part of the spirit of Allah.We have a spirit from Allah.We got this through Adam since we come from Him.This is what makes us different from being only a body.."The insignificant quantity/amount" is the true term I think. Different words can mean very different things in these kind of matters. Compare is still wrong term,

Compare : show how (people or things) are alike or different; consider to be similar. comparison, contrast. compare\com*pare"\ , v. t. [imp. & p. p. compared ; p. pr. & vb. n. comparing.] [l. comparare, fr. compar like or equal to another; com- + par equal: cf. f. comparer. see: , peer an equal, and cf. compeer.].to examine the character or qualities of, as of two or more persons or things, for the purpose of discovering their resemblances or differences; to bring into comparison; to regard with discriminating attention. compare dead happiness with living woe. the place he found beyond expression bright, compared with aught on earth. compare our faces and be judge yourself. to compare great things with small

For example you can compare 1 to 100 or 1 to 1000.But you can't compare 1 to eternity.


First off.. allah is not of spirit.. allah is made of broken statues, idols and other knicknacks that muhammad put together and said together they are allah. Islam is idolatry.

As for comparing ourselves with GOD
He knew me before I was earthly born.
I am a GOD-made man of I AM... created to be eternal.

You have no understanding of this because you live in the dark.
Jesus is the Light.

Funny how you can get so involved in a debate over the word "image" yet can't debate your own doctrine with your own teachers. How is it again the muhammad was illiterate his entire life but somehow came up with the quran? Are prophets usually liars, rapists, murderers and full of hate while they are preaching/teaching the word of GOD? Is that your image of GOD? Put the trash out and be reborn. Seek Jesus and Repent.



With Eternal Love,
- Jefell
 
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First off.. allah is not of spirit.. allah is made of broken statues, idols and other knicknacks that muhammad put together and said together they are allah. Islam is idolatry.

As for comparing ourselves with GOD
He knew me before I was earthly born.
I am a GOD-made man of I AM... created to be eternal.

You have no understanding of this because you live in the dark.
Jesus is the Light.

Funny how you can get so involved in a debate over the word "image" yet can't debate your own doctrine with your own teachers. How is it again the muhammad was illiterate his entire life but somehow came up with the quran? Are prophets usually liars, rapists, murderers and full of hate while they are preaching/teaching the word of GOD? Is that your image of GOD? Put the trash out and be reborn. Seek Jesus and Repent.



With Eternal Love,
- Jefell

This post is full of unsupported assumptions that have no reflection in reality. It's an interesting opinion though.
 
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Sorry if I don't hold you as an authority on what honesty is.

Well if you don't know what truth is.. I can't expect you to understand honesty.

No it's not. Most Christians don't agree with you. I can prove that the earth is older than 5-6,000 years, or whatever you believe. Can you prove that the earth is young?

Yes, the bible is a history book... and why does it matter how old the earth is for the bible to be a history book? For the history of mankind, people would have to be here for people to start writing history.. so maybe the existance of man is 5-6000 years old? hehe

The bible is history.. from Abraham, to King David, to King Solomon..all the way to JESUS.. From Jerusalem, to Egypt to Babylon.. the entire existance of mankind from the beginning.


No. I have two nipples. . . . . .
ROFLMAO! ok Im wasting my time.. ttyl and good luck out there pal.


With Love,
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Well if you don't know what truth is.. I can't expect you to understand honesty.

The problem with your assessment is that it is my knowledge of what truth is and the high standards we have to qualify something as truth, that your methods are obviously falling short in many regards.

Yes, the bible is a history book

Then it is an extremely poor history book.

and why does it matter how old the earth is for the bible to be a history book?

Because the Bible describes that humans were created within days of the earth and life on earth being created. This is simply not true. Life exsisted for millions of years before humans ever came around.

For the history of mankind, people would have to be here for people to start writing history.. so maybe the existance of man is 5-6000 years old? hehe

This is not true either. Humans have been around for approx. 200,000 years.

The bible is history

Not at all.

from Abraham, to King David, to King Solomon..all the way to JESUS.. From Jerusalem, to Egypt to Babylon.. the entire existance of mankind from the beginning.

Not even close.

ROFLMAO! ok Im wasting my time.. ttyl and good luck out there pal.

Yeah, it's probably time for you to bow out before you dig yourself in a deeper hole.
 
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This post is full of unsupported assumptions that have no reflection in reality. It's an interesting opinion though.

actually its all facts..

in the quran it says muhammad took all the idols, statues that other religions worshipped put them together and called it allah.

in the quran it says muhammad lied to his wife hafsa so she would go to her fathers house while he stayed home and raped the maid.. his wife was suspicious so came back quickly and caught him..

in the quran it says muhammad at 54 took a 9 year old girl and began raping her.. in her bed with her toys.. also he fondled her while she was on her period in a mosque during ramadan. your own personal satan.

You know nothing of how the earth was formed or how old it is.. you do not know how long people have been here. You think man evolved.. man has never changed. Bones from another prehistoric ape does not equal human. The desperate cling to anything.

as for digging myself in a hole..
lost child of my beloved Father, I live high on a hill where my Father has set me.. far beyond the reaches of any misconceptions, twisted words or your purposefully bent belief system could even cause dust to land on my name. Is it pride? .. no, it is certainty in my GOD.

Joy is in my heart because the Son has set me free.. for eternity I was born to be.. alas, His Son Jefell. Cut from a divine cloth and stitched in the Heavens. The only way to where I am.. is through the Son. So while you toil through your day with resentment and hate in your heart.. I sing.

I thank GOD for all and in everything.. He is my provision.


With Love,
- Jefell
 
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Jeffel is one of those persons who says the Bible is true because it is written in the Bible.

There is no point in arguing with him.

Except of course that the Bible does not anywhere actually claim to be true. :cool: Our Lord is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and Our Lord is not a book.

So believing the Bible to be literally and absolutely true is unBiblical. ^_^
 
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No :) We don't have a small part of the spirit of Allah.We have a spirit from Allah.We got this through Adam since we come from Him.This is what makes us different from being only a body.."The insignificant quantity/amount" is the true term I think. Different words can mean very different things in these kind of matters. Compare is still wrong term,

Compare : show how (people or things) are alike or different; consider to be similar. comparison, contrast. compare\com*pare"\ , v. t. [imp. & p. p. compared ; p. pr. & vb. n. comparing.] [l. comparare, fr. compar like or equal to another; com- + par equal: cf. f. comparer. see: , peer an equal, and cf. compeer.].to examine the character or qualities of, as of two or more persons or things, for the purpose of discovering their resemblances or differences; to bring into comparison; to regard with discriminating attention. compare dead happiness with living woe. the place he found beyond expression bright, compared with aught on earth. compare our faces and be judge yourself. to compare great things with small

For example you can compare 1 to 100 or 1 to 1000.But you can't compare 1 to eternity.

I think you are attempting doubletalk in order to try to defend a position that you actually abandoned some time back, and still abandon here.

One can most certainly be compared with eternity. And man can most certainly be compared with God. Your whole post does this, just as much as ours do. If man cannot be compared to God, then you should not have anything whatever to say about this, because denying a proposition is just as much a comparison as admitting it.

So, either Moslems should say nothing whatever about this, or else admit that they are doing the same as we are. ^_^
 
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Except of course that the Bible does not anywhere actually claim to be true. :cool: Our Lord is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and Our Lord is not a book.

So believing the Bible to be literally and absolutely true is unBiblical. ^_^
I was merely trying to prove the flaw in his logic, by using another example.
Some might say he is a good christian because of that, but I say he is wearing blindfolds. If every non-christian was like him with their belief, there is no way Christianity would gain any followers.
 
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as for digging myself in a hole..

So perhaps you would like to post some facts to prove your claim that the Bible is a history book. Wait, you won't because you can't because the evidence does not exsist.

Garden of Eden? Myth. All of humanity coming from two people? Myth. The Tower of Babel? Myth Noah's flood? Myth. Exodus? Myth.

So, I'm curious what "history" you are talking about.

lost child of my beloved Father, I live high on a hill where my Father has set me.. far beyond the reaches of any misconceptions, twisted words or your purposefully bent belief system could even cause dust to land on my name. Is it pride? .. no, it is certainty in my GOD

So when rational arguments fail, you are forced to say a lot, without actually saying anything. It would be more honest for you to say" I believe what I want to believe."

Joy is in my heart because the Son has set me free.. for eternity I was born to be.. alas, His Son Jefell. Cut from a divine cloth and stitched in the Heavens. The only way to where I am.. is through the Son. So while you toil through your day with resentment and hate in your heart.. I sing.

This is all you can do. You can only spout unsupported assumptions, and illogical opinions. Cool.

I thank GOD for all and in everything.. He is my provision.

Interesting.
 
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Funny how you can get so involved in a debate over the word "image" yet can't debate your own doctrine with your own teachers.

That is so typical of this religion....to debate using "others"' teachings but cannot defend their own drawing from their own sources and evidence...
 
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So perhaps you would like to post some facts to prove your claim that the Bible is a history book. Wait, you won't because you can't because the evidence does not exsist.

Garden of Eden? Myth. All of humanity coming from two people? Myth. The Tower of Babel? Myth Noah's flood? Myth. Exodus? Myth.

So, I'm curious what "history" you are talking about.

So when rational arguments fail, you are forced to say a lot, without actually saying anything. It would be more honest for you to say" I believe what I want to believe."

This is all you can do. You can only spout unsupported assumptions, and illogical opinions. Cool.


Interesting.

Really.. here is some quick look proof..

Garden of Eden: is a tough one since GOD kicked man out of the garden.. BUT they have an idea of where it was..
http://www.keyway.ca/htm2002/eden.htm


Exodus: Since they actually found writings, grave stones, weapons, shields, coins, and how it happened.. is that enough?
http://www.theexodusdecoded.net/index.html

King David: (King David connects to Ruth, King Solomon and many others in the bible)
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/King-David

Jesus:
http://www.sowhataboutjesus.com/existed.php
also even in the quran Jesus existed.. SO, since Jesus Christ existed.. shouldnt you do some homework and see what it was all about? or are you just gonna continue to face the wall, cover your eyes and ears?


And how about Babylon, Jerusalem, The temple of Solomon..

The reason muslims believe in muhammad is because his blood line goes back to Ishmael son of Abraham.

all religions connect.. but only one way is the truth and the way to GOD.. through His Son, YSHWH.
and there is NOT another way.

I'm sure you will spout off trash and disclaim all of these.. not because you know anything or that you have ever been anywhere in your life.. you simply don't want the truth to be truth.. and thats the sad part.

Seek Jesus.. He is the Gate.

with Love,
- Jefell
 
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I'm sure you will spout off trash and disclaim all of these.. not because you know anything or that you have ever been anywhere in your life.. you simply don't want the truth to be truth.. and thats the sad part.

Not one of thoes sites had any proof. So you are forced to spout your unsupporeted claims.
 
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