Muslims not created in the image of GOD?

[Philothei]

There are many fancy ways of denying the One-ness of God. For Muslims anything which leads to defining God's equal or partial is just wrong.

If you have good qualities, then be thankful to God because it's a gift form God that you are righteous however this doesn't mean your qualities are in any shape or form like God.

God guides and admonish Mankind in human terms this doesn't mean God relates to us

That is because Allah to you is not a revealed God to its people but to its prophet.... But that revelation to happen still your god has to condescend to the prophet.... So there goes your theory.... If god in your quoran 'reveals" himself although he "cannot" you end up with a contradiction... He is either "in relation" with you or not...and the very fact he gave you the Koran proves that he is revealed..... Allow me to point out also that our God is also revealed but to his people from the time of OT. He revealed himself as a Trinity in the OT... and continued his revelation through his Son. Christ is fully God and fully man. Of course as human cannot fathom his divine nature but his human. We ONLY participate in God through his energies and not of his essence since such participation is ideed impossible as "no one has seen God and lived".....Our theology provides us with explanation as far the "revelation" of God in our world.....

On the contrary yours does not...... leaving room for contradictions and confussion. Allah revealed himself (through the prophets) to the people and you say it is impossible ....

BTW there is no partiality in the Holy Trinity... All is God and each "person" is God they share the same essence which is spirit. The whole genesis story points to the unity of the Holy Trinity....As Christ the "Logos of God" (word of God) is active in the creation story. There is way too much evidence that points to that for anyone to miss....

 

[Jefell]

So many mistakes done by the person who is on stage.

There is nothing comparable to God hence those who claim humans are in image of God are false.

Muslims are in no place to ever speak of what is false.. Muhammad took all the gods (statues, pagan idols, baal, etc.) and put them altogether and said THEY are one GOD.. NONE OF THEM WERE GOD.. so how do you get GOD out of a box of rocks..

Islam is false.

Jesus is the Good Shepard.

With Love,
Jefell

 

[Jefell]

Quran 32:7-8-9 "He Who created all things in the best, and He began the creation of man from clay,And made his progeny from a quintessence of despised fluid:But He fashioned him in due proportion, and breathed into him of His spirit. And He gave you (the faculties of) hearing and sight and understanding: little thanks do ye give!"

Do you see a similarity?

Ever notice the extreme abundance of plastic, mystical words that mean jibberish and are spewed throughout the quran? The devil is a great deceiver.

Jesus is the Gate.

With Love,
- Jefell

 

[Bookofknowledge]

That is because Allah to you is not a revealed God to its people but to its prophet.... But that revelation to happen still your god has to condescend to the prophet.... So there goes your theory.... If god in your quoran 'reveals" himself although he "cannot" you end up with a contradiction... He is either "in relation" with you or not...and the very fact he gave you the Koran proves that he is revealed..... Allow me to point out also that our God is also revealed but to his people from the time of OT. He revealed himself as a Trinity in the OT... and continued his revelation through his Son. Christ is fully God and fully man. Of course as human cannot fathom his divine nature but his human. We ONLY participate in God through his energies and not of his essence since such participation is ideed impossible as "no one has seen God and lived".....Our theology provides us with explanation as far the "revelation" of God in our world.....

On the contrary yours does not...... leaving room for contradictions and confussion. Allah revealed himself (through the prophets) to the people and you say it is impossible ....

BTW there is no partiality in the Holy Trinity... All is God and each "person" is God they share the same essence which is spirit. The whole genesis story points to the unity of the Holy Trinity....As Christ the "Logos of God" (word of God) is active in the creation story. There is way too much evidence that points to that for anyone to miss....

Why do you guys reply to me without thinking out of the box?

Seriously, would you like me to reply? or you want to think about what you have written?

 

[Philothei]

hey Jefell good to see you around

Yes, the "rock" was a gift?? I am not sure though... It does stand as a symbol of God... though and the way it is venerated it does have untertones of pagan god worship.

 

[Philothei]

Why do you guys reply to me without thinking out of the box?

Seriously, would you like me to reply? or you want to think about what you have written?

what box? The last time I checked I did not have a box only ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY ..... straight out from the Fathers and in conjunction of the BIBLE.... that is all. You do not wish to reply you do not have to...I will understand

 

[Philothei]

Ever notice the extreme abundance of plastic, mystical words that mean jibberish and are spewed throughout the quran? The devil is a great deceiver.

Jesus is the Gate.

With Love,
- Jefell

Jesus is the Gate for sure Jefell!!!!

For He says
"I AM THE WAY" and he is the ONLY way to the Father.....

Praise Him always !!!

 

[Bookofknowledge]

Muslims are in no place to ever speak of what is false.. Muhammad took all the gods (statues, pagan idols, baal, etc.) and put them altogether and said THEY are one GOD.. NONE OF THEM WERE GOD.. so how do you get GOD out of a box of rocks..

Islam is false.

Are you saying, we are not humans? we don't have common sense? or perhaps we don't belong to God's Creation?

Do you see Muslim praying in front of the statues of Jesus & Mary? Do you see Muslims praying in front of Idols?

 

[Rasta]

Rasta God is a spirit....How can we have physical resemblance to Him?

You don't know this. You assume this. In the OT there are many times when they describe god in physical means. "God walks in the garden of eden" (it's hard to walk without legs huh?) "Moses sees the back of god, because to look at god's face would mean certain death" "God's hand stretches down from heaven to write on a wall".

That is what I have presented to him in at least in two different ways. He is more interested in defining things the way that supports his beliefs. I think that all of us were clear enough for him to understand without all of the sideshows he is fueling by his combativeness.

I was attempting to be percise. From now on I will know that you view percision to be combat. So I will attempt not to be percise when I am talking to you in the future. You were ignoring the Muslim responce because why?

I would have thought that once we establish that God is Spirit, he would then understand that spirits are by nature nonphysical beings and that images do not have to be physical since images conjure likeness above form.

You have not established anything but your beliefs. Am I being too percise again?

 

[Philothei]

All human beings are human no matter the religion.... We are all created in the image and likness...

Attacking Christianity will not help here... Why do you venerate a rock? I am interested to know though ...Remember I said venerate not worship as I am not "in the box" as you previously accused me that I am....

 

[Bookofknowledge]

what box? The last time I checked I did not have a box only ORTHODOX CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY ..... straight out from the Fathers and in conjunction of the BIBLE.... that is all. You do not wish to reply you do not have to...I will understand

Last chance to think about what you have written. I guarantee you that Orthodox Chritian Theology doesn't have answers to the questions I am about to place...

 

[Rasta]

Attacking Christianity will not help here...

Why do you think attacking Islam is going to help?

 

[Philothei]

This is not kissing (venerating) the koran? Kissing a book is not idolatry?

 

[Philothei]

Why do you think attacking Islam is going to help?

I do not.. The fact remains that they are saying things that are contradictory... depending of what they want to prove... Rasta, did you read my post?

The issue was on God's revelation to us and how he "condenscended" to us..

 

[Rasta]

I do not.. The fact remains that they are saying things that are contradictory... depending of what they want to prove... Rasta, did you read my post?

The issue was on God's revelation to us and how he "condenscended" to us..

The point is that when someone disagrees with your beliefs, they are "attacking Christianity", when you do it, you are just "pointing out contradictions".

That is a double standard, so does not look valid from outsiders. If you are only trying to convince yourself, then carry on by all means.

 

[Jefell]

Jesus is the Gate for sure Jefell!!!!

For He says
"I AM THE WAY" and he is the ONLY way to the Father.....

Praise Him always !!!

Thank you Philo GOD Bless you Sis.


1Jn 2:22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.

1Jn 2:23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.

Is it interesting that muslims spend so much time trying to find holes in the Truth of Christ.. yet are forbidden to even question the cracker jack contents of the quran.

How is muhammad divine? he is a liar, pedophile, murderer, & rapist.. how is he truthful?

How can the quran be the truth when muhammad was an illiterate liar?

How could the quran possibly be a copy of a book that is in heaven?

How could someone take "fake gods" (idols, statues, witchcraft etc) put them all together and say "it" is GOD?

Why is islam against muslims to learn and question their own beliefs?

Islam is chaos.. because it has no shepard.. it has no father.. its a manmade devil sponsored doctrine of carnage.


Sin seperates man from GOD.. The Perfect Truth, the Living Word, the All Righteous Son of GOD was sacrificed so that we can be forgiven and that veil of sin can be removed from between us and our true Heavenly Father. Thank You Jesus for your Life.. Thank You GOD for loving us so much that you gave us your only begotten Son as the Gate to You.

With Love,
- Jefell

 

[Jefell]

The point is that when someone disagrees with your beliefs, they are "attacking Christianity", when you do it, you are just "pointing out contradictions".

That is a double standard, so does not look valid from outsiders. If you are only trying to convince yourself, then carry on by all means.

LOL how and why do you question anyones beliefs when you proclaim yourself as agnostic? Its clear you know GOD exists. You have resentment, anger and disappointment in yourself and you slander others with your rubbish so that you can feel better about feeling left out. GOD does love you but you reject Him. GOD puts the truth infront of you daily.. but you deny it. Why do you hate GOD? Did he give you an extra nipple or something?

Jesus is the Truth.

With Love,
- Jefell

 

[Rasta]

LOL how and why do you question anyones beliefs when you proclaim yourself as agnostic?

It's called intellectual honesty. To educate you, agnostisism is the position of belief in regards to knowledge. I don't believe anyone can have access to absolute knowledge of any kind, which includes you. Therefore thoes who make absolute claims are wrong.

Its clear you know GOD exists.

It's clear you have no clue what you are talking about.

You have resentment, anger and disappointment in yourself and you slander others with your rubbish so that you can feel better about feeling left out.

Nope. Again, it's called intellectual honesty.

GOD does love you but you reject Him.

There is nothing to reject. I reject the written myths from the Bronze age.

GOD puts the truth infront of you daily.. but you deny it.

Cool. What does it look like?

Why do you hate GOD?

How can you hate something you don't believe exsists? Why do you hate Hercules?

Did he give you an extra nipple or something?

Huh?

Jesus is the Truth.

Only if you classify fantasy as truth.

With Love

This is how you show love? Wow. I'd hate to be your enemy in that case.

 

[Philothei]

The point is that when someone disagrees with your beliefs, they are "attacking Christianity", when you do it, you are just "pointing out contradictions".

That is a double standard, so does not look valid from outsiders. If you are only trying to convince yourself, then carry on by all means.

If you see any contradictions in what I say please point it out by all means but accusing me of double standards because I do find them... is not logical... just another red herings to distract from the issue at hand...

 

[Philothei]

t's called intellectual honesty. To educate you, agnostisism is the position of belief in regards to knowledge. I don't believe anyone can have access to absolute knowledge of any kind, which includes you. Therefore thoes who make absolute claims are wrong.

Critizising Islam....while bringing in Christianity is quoque... and you know it...How about that for "intellectual honesty". Islam cannot stand alone and always has to attack Christianity to defend itself...You keep doing the same...You side with a religion that has monotheism....I wonder Rasta are you a deist and you always take their side of the argument? If you do how come?

if you do not have absolute knowledge then why would anyone believe you over the authority of God and the Bible? Do you realize what you just said contradicting your own words..... God's words are "always" superior to what me and you are saying and we are quoting what the revealed truths in the bible say....

It's clear you have no clue what you are talking about.



Nope. Again, it's called intellectual honesty.

Prove it... Saying that the Koran cannot 'defend" its own god but has to say....."well.....Christians do this or that" is that intellectual honesty?? Your point is moot.

There is nothing to reject. I reject the written myths from the Bronze age.



Cool. What does it look like?

You reject there is a God and its non-existance cannot be prover either way...Also God is not a physical being and of the physical realm. You deny any spiritual realm and that is your right. How this convience us that there is no God??? Beats me....

How can you hate something you don't believe exsists? Why do you hate Hercules?

Sure you can because of your incapability to conceptualize who God is... you are trying to convience others of His non-existance. I wonder why on earth Atheists are so adamant to persuade us of God's non-existance? Maybe of their own incecurity on that belief? Religion existed since the beginning of the human race Bronze age testifies to the humans even believed their burried ancestors to be gods. This is an innate impulse in men that was bestowed by our Creator. As atheists you might express that need in other various ways ....like materialism etc... still it is there and in your very existance.....

Only if you classify fantasy as truth.

or spiritual realm that you do not realize...it exists.

This is how you show love? Wow. I'd hate to be your enemy in that case.

Equating love of God with that of the human race....lovely Rasta.
Love of God as expressed is far from perfect. How about making a sweeping generalization and call a zealous christian or an Apostle a "less than average loving person"?

All our Apostles were not the same.... as I said before others were more vocal and others more pastoral... Jefell told you God loves you and he wants you to love Him back... How is this not "loving"? What does he have to gain to "spread the words of the Gospel" to you??? Nothing....It was out of his love for you to become a believer and turn to God.


Have a beautiful Day

In Christ,
Philothei