{MOVED} will Christians be taken away to Jesus before the mark of the beast is here

[jasonMalloy1999]

im confused

 

[Sabertooth]

will Christians be taken away to Jesus before the mark of the beast is here?

That is the 24,000 shekel question!

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Ultimately, no one knows. We will just have to wait and see ...and trust God!

 

[ewq1938]

 

[Broken Fence]

im confused

People have a lot of theorys and interpretations this is the big revelation (elephant) in the room however I take great joy in revelation 12:11

 

[Douggg]

The answer is yes.

 

[timewerx]

It is the wicked who are taken.

The righteous remain on Earth (the meek shall inherit the Earth)

Matthew 24:37-40
As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38 For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39 and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40 Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left.

 

[JulieB67]

Read Matthew 24, Mark 13, Luke 21, 1st Thes 4 and 5, as well as 2nd Thes to get started on this subject and decide for yourself what you believe. That's the only way to not be confused. We can all give answers to what we believe but you really need to read for yourself.

 

[timewerx]

Another account in the Bible of the wicked being taken:

Joel 3:13
Swing the sickle, for the harvest is ripe. Come, trample the grapes, for the winepress is full and the vats overflow-- so great is their wickedness!"

Revelation 14:19
So the angel swung his sickle over the earth and gathered the grapes of the earth, and he threw them into the great winepress of God's wrath

(this verse is often taken in the wrong/opposite context!)
Mark 4:29
And as soon as the grain is ripe, he swings the sickle, because the harvest has come."

 

[tranquil]

im confused

No.
Christians will not take the mark of the beast, then they will be gathered.

Really not difficult. The only difficult part is getting past all the lies.

Matthew 24

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.​

 

[Leet]

No one really knows the answer to that, it's speculation.

 

[TLSITD]

im confused

Some will and some won't. If you die before the mark is implemented, you won't be here during that time of testing and tribulation. But if you're asking whether there will be a catching away of living saints prior to the tribulation the answer is a definite no.

Most of the saints who are presently alive on the earth will go through the tribulation, and will be confronted with the choice of whether or not to take the mark of the beast. So it would be wise for all of us to prepare ourselves mentally and spiritually for that probability now.

Most of the saints who choose not to take the mark will be martyred; a few will remain on earth until the Lord's return at the end of that time of tribulation, and they will be changed and caught up to meet Him in the air before the world is destroyed by fire.

But martyrdom should not make anyone who loves the Lord afraid. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? And it is far better to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

 

[Broken Fence]

Some will and some won't. If you die before the mark is implemented, you won't be here during that time of testing and tribulation. But if you're asking whether there will be a catching away of living saints prior to the tribulation the answer is a definite no.

Most of the saints who are presently alive on the earth will go through the tribulation, and will be confronted with the choice of whether or not to take the mark of the beast. So it would be wise for all of us to prepare ourselves mentally and spiritually for that probability now.

Most of the saints who choose not to take the mark will be martyred; a few will remain on earth until the Lord's return at the end of that time of tribulation, and they will be changed and caught up to meet Him in the air before the world is destroyed by fire.

But martyrdom should not make anyone who loves the Lord afraid. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? And it is far better to be away from the body and at home with the Lord.

Well said, although Matthew 24:40-42 makes me wonder.

 

[TLSITD]

Well said, although Matthew 24:40-42 makes me wonder.

We don't know the exact day or hour of Christ's return, it's true. Only God knows that. But we do know that it will be on the last day of the tribulation, which will be approximately 3 1/2 years.

(It was originally going to be longer than that but God shortened the time for the sake of the saints. If He hadn't shortened it, Jesus might not find any faith on the earth when He returns---as all of the saints would have either been martyred or have fallen away from Him and taken the mark to preserve their earthly lives.)

The Revelation leaves us with a final time period of 42 months for the tribulation, which is 3 1/2 years, close to the number of days given at the end of the last chapter of the book of Daniel.

 

[grafted branch]

Most of the saints who choose not to take the mark will be martyred; a few will remain on earth until the Lord's return at the end of that time of tribulation, and they will be changed and caught up to meet Him in the air before the world is destroyed by fire.

What is a martyr?

Martyr is defined in my dictionary as one who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles.

If at some point in the future people are legally required to get the mark of the beast, entrepreneurs could establish martyr clinics. Perhaps there would be places where Christians could voluntarily go and publish on an official web site their faith and allegiance to Christ, any warning to their unbelieving friends, and any other matters they might wish to express. Then be declared enemies of the state for refusing the mark, given an immediate trial, and sentenced to death. An anesthesiologist could administer some medication to make them unconscious and then an executioner would behead them. This could all be done quick and physically painless.

Would you consider this to be martyrdom?

 

[TLSITD]

What is a martyr?

Martyr is defined in my dictionary as one who chooses to suffer death rather than renounce religious principles.

If at some point in the future people are legally required to get the mark of the beast, entrepreneurs could establish martyr clinics. Perhaps there would be places where Christians could voluntarily go and publish on an official web site their faith and allegiance to Christ, any warning to their unbelieving friends, and any other matters they might wish to express. Then be declared enemies of the state for refusing the mark, given an immediate trial, and sentenced to death. An anesthesiologist could administer some medication to make them unconscious and then an executioner would behead them. This could all be done quick and physically painless.

Would you consider this to be martyrdom?

Yes, I would consider that martyrdom. It doesn't matter how a person is put to death for not renouncing their faith; being killed for that reason is what makes them a martyr.

 

[grafted branch]

Yes, I would consider that martyrdom. It doesn't matter how a person is put to death for not renouncing their faith; being killed for that reason is what makes them a martyr.

Ok, one more question if you don’t mind.

It doesn’t look like we are ever going to get a consensus on who the beast is or what the mark is (just examine all the various beliefs on this forum alone).The bible doesn’t say explicitly what the mark of the beast is nor does it say explicitly what can’t be bought or sold without the mark (some say it’s salvation that’s bought and sold). Since there are so many different interpretations on what the mark is and what the beast is; how can anyone know for sure they won’t receive the mark?

For example one Christian believes that the beast is a one world government and the mark is a computer chip; and another Christian believes the beast is a one world religion and the mark is becoming a member of that religion. The first person joins the religion in hopes of converting some people to Christianity but refuses to get the computer chip, and the second person gets the computer chip but refuses to join the one world religion; if both Christians are martyred for their beliefs obviously only one of them didn’t get the mark of the beast.

It seems to be of absolute paramount importance to know exactly what the mark and the beast are unless they are view as being spiritual in nature.

 

[TLSITD]

Ok, one more question if you don’t mind.

It doesn’t look like we are ever going to get a consensus on who the beast is or what the mark is (just examine all the various beliefs on this forum alone).The bible doesn’t say explicitly what the mark of the beast is nor does it say explicitly what can’t be bought or sold without the mark (some say it’s salvation that’s bought and sold). Since there are so many different interpretations on what the mark is and what the beast is; how can anyone know for sure they won’t receive the mark?

For example one Christian believes that the beast is a one world government and the mark is a computer chip; and another Christian believes the beast is a one world religion and the mark is becoming a member of that religion. The first person joins the religion in hopes of converting some people to Christianity but refuses to get the computer chip, and the second person gets the computer chip but refuses to join the one world religion; if both Christians are martyred for their beliefs obviously only one of them didn’t get the mark of the beast.

It seems to be of absolute paramount importance to know exactly what the mark and the beast are unless they are view as being spiritual in nature.

Neither the beast nor the mark of the beast are spiritual. The beast is another name for the antichrist (also referred to as the "son of perdition"). He will be the supreme ruler of the one world government as well as the center of the one world religion, which will be the worship of this same man as God.

The reason some people believe that the beast is the one world government is that it is also referred to as a beast, in the Revelation and in Daniel. But they are two different things, even though they are closely related because the antichrist will be the head of that government.

The mark of the beast, however, is the mark of the antichrist: Either his name or the number of his name on their forehead or hand. It will be like a blasphemous imitation of the spiritual seal of God on the forehead of His servants, signifying that those who have it belong to Satan (in the person of the antichrist).

The antichrist himself will be a Jew, and the non-elect Jews will receive him as their Messiah. He will seem to fulfill the Messianic prophecies in the OT, and will likely be a descendant of David. He will be, to the Jews, everything that Jesus Christ was not, a great king like Solomon, powerful militarily and intelligent, who will enrich Jerusalem and the land of Israel.

He will be indwelt by Satan (who will be released from his prison in the bottomless pit in order to rule the world for a few years through the person of the antichrist).

The mark of the beast will be a literal, physical mark that people will be required to receive in order to be able to buy or sell (anything).

(The Greek word used in the Scriptures for "mark" is "charagma", which means to stamp or impress---like a brand---not something inserted into the skin, and definitely not invisible or spiritual.)

Every Christian will know what the mark is when it is implemented and will have the choice to take it or refuse it. This will be a test of their faith; and most of them will fail it.

So don't worry about not knowing what the mark is or who the antichrist is specifically. When he is revealed you will know. There's no need to speculate, as some Christians do, about whether this or that person is him, or whether this or that thing is the mark of the beast. We will all know these things when their time comes.

 

[grafted branch]

Neither the beast nor the mark of the beast are spiritual. The beast is another name for the antichrist (also referred to as the "son of perdition"). He will be the supreme ruler of the one world government as well as the center of the one world religion, which will be the worship of this same man as God.

The reason some people believe that the beast is the one world government is that it is also referred to as a beast, in the Revelation and in Daniel. But they are two different things, even though they are closely related because the antichrist will be the head of that government.

The mark of the beast, however, is the mark of the antichrist: Either his name or the number of his name on their forehead or hand. It will be like a blasphemous imitation of the spiritual seal of God on the forehead of His servants, signifying that those who have it belong to Satan (in the person of the antichrist).

The antichrist himself will be a Jew, and the non-elect Jews will receive him as their Messiah. He will seem to fulfill the Messianic prophecies in the OT, and will likely be a descendant of David. He will be, to the Jews, everything that Jesus Christ was not, a great king like Solomon, powerful militarily and intelligent, who will enrich Jerusalem and the land of Israel.

He will be indwelt by Satan (who will be released from his prison in the bottomless pit in order to rule the world for a few years through the person of the antichrist).

The mark of the beast will be a literal, physical mark that people will be required to receive in order to be able to buy or sell (anything).

(The Greek word used in the Scriptures for "mark" is "charagma", which means to stamp or impress---like a brand---not something inserted into the skin, and definitely not invisible or spiritual.)

Every Christian will know what the mark is when it is implemented and will have the choice to take it or refuse it. This will be a test of their faith; and most of them will fail it.

So don't worry about not knowing what the mark is or who the antichrist is specifically. When he is revealed you will know. There's no need to speculate, as some Christians do, about whether this or that person is him, or whether this or that thing is the mark of the beast. We will all know these things when their time comes.

Just so I’m clear on your view, all Christians whether they currently believe the mark is spiritual or some other thing like a computer chip will at some point all be in complete agreement on what the mark is (if there wasn’t complete agreement then some Christians might unintentionally accept the mark). In order for Christians to come to this agreement they will have to look to and observe the Antichrist himself for the additional information needed to come to the consensus and understand the book of Revelation concerning the beast and his mark.

Would this be a fair assessment of your view?

 

[vinsight4u]

/nvm

 

[vinsight4u]

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