(moved) What can be done to improve the race relations in America?

[LynnC]

The Black Muslim movement united whole communities and brought people from drug use pimpery and prostitution to a clean mature way of life. The reason they preached to separate themselves from the white community was because they felt (feel) the ills of the black community must be remedied before there can be peace between the races. In other words you must out your own house in order first.

I don't agree with everything they preach but they have saved countless black lives and done a mountain of positive work in the black community. FYI Malcolm X was a genius who after he made his pilgrimage to Mecca preached unity of all people black what and every other color. He was struck down because of the success he was having in changing the way black and white people were looking at race in society and he was respected by blacks whites Christians and Muslims.

Greetings rturner,
"The Black Muslim movement united whole communities and brought people from drug use pimpery and prostitution to a clean mature way of life."

It may seem to have done that, but it accomplished it by giving them a common enemy... the white man....
not the best motivator as we can now see what fruit it is producing.
It's great if the black community betters itself, but not if it only betters itself in order to come against others.
Martin Luther King Jr. had the right idea... coming together with others.

I agree Malcom X began to pull away from Louis Farrakhan... but too late... his followers still follow what Farrakhan teaches... were drawn in because of what Farrakhan taught. It had an appeal to their need to be victims, and to find an enemy to rally themselves around.
The movement was born out of a negative, rather than a positive.

 

[LynnC]

If a company is employing racist hiring orpromotion practices, they should be called out for it. I don't believe Jesse Jackson is going into situations and falsely making claims of discrimination. People who are not the victims of discrimination do not know what it feels like.

I know what discrimination feels like, and I am white.
and you are correct, it does not feel good. It feels powerless, and impossible to break free from...
but if you take that mental attitude and don't make efforts, then you will never break free.
To me, the efforts should come in the form of showing myself worthy. I do not see where violence (or belligerence) will ever eliminate discrimination, but only adds to it.

 

[LynnC]

I'm a member of this Christian site...what is this supposed to mean? I know there are alot of different ethnicities and races on this site BC its a big site, as to why other races ECT..arent participating to this thread..i have no idea...they might be busy..but hopefully they'll answer later.

It's an interesting question though.
Are there any black Christians participating on the forum? I'd like to know.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

I am sure you are discussing forced segregation we had 65 to 100 years ago. There are some merits to having some segregation, and the integration that took place made things worse. In specific stressful and demanding situations (military units, etc.,) there is reason the think that groups that share things like race or other things may work better together. It is hard to argue against the success of elite military units, but those people went through things together that other (few or no others) had endured. Otherwise, it is reasonable to assume problems may be avoided if things were kept segregated. I do not intend that to mean segregated in order to treat the units differently, but that the people (especially when there was a mandatory draft) got along better in that type environment.

Still i dont agree with African Americans being sectioned off from society...as an African American...i certainly dont want to be...and i find it counter productive...as I said...how can you show and share love to people that are sectioned away? And its not a good feeling to be pushed to the side.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

It's an interesting question though.
Are there any black Christians participating on the forum? I'd like to know.

There are , I am and there are some here in this thread...im just looking for other people to join this convo.

 

[Far Side Of the Moon]

Ethiopia was never colonized by Europeans but they did have a civil war in the creation of Eritrea. They are very proud of to be the only African nation that can say that. From what I understand it is a beautiful place and the women.....I was engaged to a woman from there who was the most beautiful woman I have ever seen, beautiful people there but I seriously digress.....

Lol nice digress, I had no idea about Etria not being colonized..thats a nice bit of knowledge to know.

 

[rturner76]

Lol nice digress, I had no idea about Etria not being colonized..thats a nice bit of knowledge to know.

Yeah it's cool. It;s actually Ethiopia and Eritrea but Eritrea was a part of Ethiopia before the civil was that won Eritrea her independence. Just some trivia about my favorite African country

 

[eslombe]

This is true but no one is killing each other like blacks are. It's epidemic in the inner city. However, any individual can overcome prejudice by exposing themselves to a person of another culture. It's all about exposure conquering the fear. What I was talking about before was on a societal level.

From experience and observation I have come one logical conclusion. You mention inner city killing does this not have to do with poverty, unemployment and lack of education and opportunities? I think there is need to address the under lying problems and not try to constantly manage the outcomes.

 

[Job8]

I cannot agree with that. The race baiting goes on where there is no racism demonstrated. It makes people think they need to change someone's mind, and they need Obama, Hillary, or Jesse Jackson to accomplish that.

Most people do not realize that racial conflicts under Obama are part of a cynical agenda to foster internecine strife within America. All these so called *protests* and protesters since Ferguson were organized and funding by the likes of George Soros and others whose primary objective is to bring America to its knees and make it another Third World Country. Even when the police have done the right thing they have been vilified, while black criminals have been sanctified. This is not racism but using racial hatreds and animosities to destroy America. Now Farrakhan wants his billions while he builds his Black Nation within America! Does Farrakhan really care about either blacks or whites? Does Obama or Hillary or all the gangsters within the Administration? At least some blacks are waking up to this race-based manipulation.

 

[Tull]

No, television was merely a reflection of society. I had already pointed out that in American society blacks and whites were separated, especially for children. You might have been a different situation, but that was not in any way the life of most white people.

Blacks also segregate themselves,do people not have the right to associate with who they wish to ?

 

[Tull]

That is a right wing buzz word that has no real meaning. I'm sure the "race baiting" will stop when the "racism" stops

It is also left wing to claim the right to define terms,racism to some is anytime a non white person does not get what they want from a white person be it a job,money,position,date whatever....when you can say I didn't get what I wanted because I'm black and use the trump card of race and place all whites in the position of having to prove they are not racist by giving you everything you want then you are in control.....what you wanted all along.

I don't have anything to prove to anyone and anyone who wishes to place me in that position can move on and find somebody willing to submit to it,i wish to be judged by how I have treated people throughout my life which is how I want to be treated.

 

[Tull]

If a company is employing racist hiring orpromotion practices, they should be called out for it. I don't believe Jesse Jackson is going into situations and falsely making claims of discrimination. People who are not the victims of discrimination do not know what it feels like.

The man is a multimillionaire and has never worked at a real job in his life,believe what you want about Jackson,Sharpton etc

Discrimination is simply not being or being chosen for a wide variety of reasons....everyone knows what that feels like,everyone has experienced being in or out of the loop and this idea that all whites skate through life is total garbage.

 

[ACandleinDarkness]

I don't care what color a mans skin is, what age he is, how tall or short he is, how long or short his hair is, what his background might be, or any of that. I am taught in my Bible to love every man, whether he likes me or not. You see, the fact of the matter is, we really do only get one shot on this earth. We know that the world is full of evil and sin, it's everywhere we look. But again, my Bible and my God tell me that I should treat other men with lovingkindness. We as a race of men and women live in a world so marred by corruption and wickedness, that we all experience sadness, lonliness, loss, mental and spiritual distress, and we know that these things work to dissolve who we are meant to be and who we were. And when faced with all this stress and depression, unfortunately we seem to try and find a release through the angry and violent expressions of projection, assault, and use of force (in whatever context that may be). And this only serves to drive a wedge between us all. Daily we hurt one another because we refuse to be patient, understanding, forebearing and respectful, polite and appreciative. This kind of self-centered behavior is going to get us nowhere. It seems as though we have forgotten how to be truly forgiving and selfless. We seem to be blinded to the fact that no matter what color skin, where you grew up, or what kind of clothes you wear, WE ARE ALL MEN AND WOMEN BORN INTO THE SAME MESS. We are neighbours through the good and the bad. "What can be done" you ask? We just need to come to an honest understanding that we are all in this together whether we like it or not. So why spend our time together hating and spiting one another? Why do each other wrong? I believe that we all come from God originally. So, that being the case, we are all family really; A family that should be bigger than just a last name or your skin color. This kind of family will break boundaries if we'd let it.

Matthew 5:44-45
"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust."

 

[Tull]

People don't live this way,if they did all would be well.....but they don't so there are issues as there always will be because man refuses to obey God.

 

[Colter]

Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

* Seriously addressing reparations would help.

* White America has the power and we inherit the obligation to reach across the racial divide to solve the impasse.

* But there will always be tension between races, eventually the problem will be solved by an amalgamation of the races.

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

If a company is employing racist hiring orpromotion practices, they should be called out for it. I don't believe Jesse Jackson is going into situations and falsely making claims of discrimination. People who are not the victims of discrimination do not know what it feels like.

Actually, he and others are. It is a shakedown operation. Cheaper to settle a frivolous lawsuit than to have a long drawn-out battle in court where they are made to look like that when no such thing occurs. Examples include someone doing something wrong (against company rules) or not performing to expectations, and trying to say they were fired for their race. If their race was THE factor, they would not have been hired.

Thanks for replying. Now, I need to go out to my project, and see how much I might accomplish today.

 

[SpunkyDoodle]

* Seriously addressing reparations would help.

If there is a person who is a former Black slave in America, and someone else who is a White person, and formerly held Black slaves, there is a place to get reparations from one to the other. Otherwise, a lot of money has been given out to Black people in government programs over the last 80 years.

 

[Alonso_Castillo]

Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

Mestizaje, Mixing races. If everybody partakes of the race of everybody that would prevent hating races since that would automatically mean hating oneself.

 

[AlexDTX]

1. Stop talking about race.

2. Become color blind.

3. Expose racism,whether black, white, yellow, red, or brown.

4. Preach the Gospel, which teaches that there is only one race -- Adam's.

I totally agree with you.
There is no such thing as race. It is a Darwinian term which assumes that different ethnicities are forming into different species. As your fourth points, there is only one race -- Adam's, which means we are all family.

While there is the historical reality of people abusing people by selling others into slavery, that had no root in "race". One black tribe in Nigeria sold other black tribes in Nigeria to white European slave traders, who then sold those captured blacks that survived the journey to other white European and American rich people.

But today, "racism" is fomented by the wealthy who control our country through media and is acted upon by both whites and blacks who benefit from the division.

For Christians, it is utter stupidity. We know that all people derive from the same source and that Christ died for all people. Furthermore, God is too big to be seen in one ethnicity. His life needs to be expressed in all family ethnicities. Integrated congregations reveal more of Christ in his body than segregated congregations. Kudos to your answer.

 

[Tull]

The issue of race will never be solved because it requires personal responsability,we live in the age of blame with a permanant responsable class and a permanant irresponsable class that will always be at odds with each other,all we hear these days about peoples issues in life is what is SOMEBODY else going to do about them,we rapidly losing our freedoms to run our own lives and some seem to want it that way.