(moved) What can be done to improve the race relations in America?

turtlejoy · Aug 31, 2016

I don't even entertain the discussion with race. To me it's like arranging deckchairs on the Titanic.
When people talk about race things like 'white privilege' I see that I could easily redirect the conversation to God and just tell them that the only privilege I'm worried about is having the privilege of being a child of God (and have an opportunity to witness). I'd imagine most people that want to vent and bicker about skin color would immediately understand that their argument won't even apply to the message of Jesus. It'll fall flat everytime.

Job8 · Aug 31, 2016

RDKirk said:
If it would not work for adultery, it won't work for racism either.

It does not help to compare apples and oranges. Talk about racism today is a DIVERSIONARY TACTIC. The more people talk about racism, the less they see that this is another manufactured problem since racism has been on the decline for decades, and numerous high public offices have been held by blacks (strictly on merit) for decades. Blacks have also prospered in other fields. The fact that totally unqualified Obama managed to snag the highest office in the land is proof positive that this is a manufactured problem, which helps Obama divert attention from the real issues -- his own disregard for his black brethren and sisters as well as for the citizens of the USA.

hiphopopotomus · Aug 31, 2016

RDKirk said:
"Greater India" did that when the Brits split them up into East Pakistan, Nepal, West Pakistan, and India.

Millions of people were killed.

Yes but that was due to religious differences not racial ones.

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

jeager016 said:
Hummmmmmmmmm????????????
Curious.
How many members of the black community are members of this
site or other sites like this one?

I'm a member of this Christian site...what is this supposed to mean? I know there are alot of different ethnicities and races on this site BC its a big site, as to why other races ECT..arent participating to this thread..i have no idea...they might be busy..but hopefully they'll answer later.

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

turtlejoy said:
I don't even entertain the discussion with race. To me it's like arranging deckchairs on the Titanic.
When people talk about race things like 'white privilege' I see that I could easily redirect the conversation to God and just tell them that the only privilege I'm worried about is having the privilege of being a child of God (and have an opportunity to witness). I'd imagine most people that want to vent and bicker about skin color would immediately understand that their argument won't even apply to the message of Jesus. It'll fall flat everytime.

The purpose of this thread is to propse solutions because there's on obvious issue, atleaat here in America...and it cant be denied. We have to be able to live together in harmony which is why I created this thread to bounce ideas on how to bring this about... Rather than everyone vent their frustrations and get mad..which leads to nothing.

Of course the most basic thing any and everyone can do is simply treat those you run into every day with respect and decency.

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

hiphopopotomus said:
African Americans should be given their own self governing autonomous region.
A country within a country.Of course relocating there would optional and those living in those states selected of other races would need to be relocated.

Lol no. What you want is to reinstate segregation... I dont think that's a good idea at all... How can you love people you cant come in contact with? And cutting people off will make them feel isolated from the whole of humanity...and as I said before , I enjoy the different faces and races I see. So I dont think that's a productive idea.

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

Larry Wilgus said:
What a weak argument! We don't need more understanding; we need a revelation from God on how valuable people are. Ps. 8:6 says "God has crowned man with glory and honor, and has put us in charge of His handcrafted world." WHY ISN"T THIS THE FOCUS OF RACE RELATIONS instead of figuring out how to get along with people of different color, different incomes, different dress, etc.....

I dont think its a weak argument , how can you have a revelation without understanding ? Plus what you're saying is part of what I mean.

Larry Wilgus · Aug 31, 2016

rturner76 said:
This is going to sound terrible but until black people can figure out how to stop killing each other in record numbers, there can be no equality Black people are not able to come together as a people and deal with one another with respect. How can they (we) deal with anybody else with respect as in try to bridge the gap between two communities when we are not one whole community ourselves. Nobody can accomplish this but black people and nobody seems to be interested in doing it.

People are going to continue killing people because we have devalued the worth of people. This started with Roe Vs. Wade and will continue until we repent (change our thinking) about differences of race, and see people as God see them - "crowned with glory and honor" (Ps. 8:5). The problem is: most of America and the world has forsaken God, gives no value to what the Bible says, and thinks we're going to figure this mess out with our peanut brains. Good luck with that theory!

Far Side Of the Moon · Aug 31, 2016

Larry Wilgus said:
People are going to continue killing people because we have devalued the worth of people. This started with Roe Vs. Wade and will continue until we repent (change our thinking) about differences of race, and see people as God see them - "crowned with glory and honor" (Ps. 8:5). The problem is: most of America and the world has forsaken God, gives no value to what the Bible says, and thinks we're going to figure this mess out with our peanut brains. Good luck with that theory!

I agree with this. Repenting for how we view other people, that was powerful.

rturner76 · Aug 31, 2016

Larry Wilgus said:
People are going to continue killing people because we have devalued the worth of people. This started with Roe Vs. Wade and will continue until we repent (change our thinking) about differences of race, and see people as God see them - "crowned with glory and honor" (Ps. 8:5). The problem is: most of America and the world has forsaken God, gives no value to what the Bible says, and thinks we're going to figure this mess out with our peanut brains. Good luck with that theory!

What did God give us a brain for if not to figure things out?

SpunkyDoodle · Aug 31, 2016

rturner76 said:
The man has a compelling argument however I do disagree with some things. I have to admit, I don't have all the data at my fingertips but I think there are certain things we can all agree are true......

I would have a couple questions for this man like:

We all know that white people receive welfare as well as black people and it is even said that more overall dollars are spent on white Americans simply because of the larger population of white citizens. It is understood that a smaller percentage of white citizens receive welfare than blacks. Now knowing that there is a large amount of white citizens also receiving welfare, why is there not a comparable amount of violence in those white communities that are receiving welfare? Is there a comparable amount going to prison? Dropping out of school? Getting sick?

Good questions all. Thanks for the thoughtful reply. I may need to spend time preparing a suitable reply, though. I've been busy, and may not get right to it.

Leevo · Aug 31, 2016

Stop all race baiting...

rturner76 · Aug 31, 2016

Leevo said:
Stop all race baiting...

That is a right wing buzz word that has no real meaning. I'm sure the "race baiting" will stop when the "racism" stops

Winken · Aug 31, 2016

Far Side Of the Moon said:
Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

Not an opinion: Romans 10:8-13. Amen.

SpunkyDoodle · Aug 31, 2016

rturner76 said:
That is a right wing buzz word that has no real meaning. I'm sure the "race baiting" will stop when the "racism" stops

I cannot agree with that. The race baiting goes on where there is no racism demonstrated. It makes people think they need to change someone's mind, and they need Obama, Hillary, or Jesse Jackson to accomplish that.

rturner76 · Aug 31, 2016

SpunkyDoodle said:
I cannot agree with that. The race baiting goes on where there is no racism demonstrated. It makes people think they need to change someone's mind, and they need Obama, Hillary, or Jesse Jackson to accomplish that.

Jesse Jackson was a freedom rider, a sit-in and civil rights protest organizer. Hardly a "race baiter" he knows when he sees racism. I'll give you Obama and Hillary are politicians and exploit every opportunity to grab headlines but that does not mean they just make stuff up all the time

SpunkyDoodle · Aug 31, 2016

Far Side Of the Moon said:
Lol no. What you want is to reinstate segregation... I dont think that's a good idea at all... How can you love people you cant come in contact with? And cutting people off will make them feel isolated from the whole of humanity...and as I said before , I enjoy the different faces and races I see. So I dont think that's a productive idea.

I am sure you are discussing forced segregation we had 65 to 100 years ago. There are some merits to having some segregation, and the integration that took place made things worse. In specific stressful and demanding situations (military units, etc.,) there is reason the think that groups that share things like race or other things may work better together. It is hard to argue against the success of elite military units, but those people went through things together that other (few or no others) had endured. Otherwise, it is reasonable to assume problems may be avoided if things were kept segregated. I do not intend that to mean segregated in order to treat the units differently, but that the people (especially when there was a mandatory draft) got along better in that type environment.

SpunkyDoodle · Aug 31, 2016

rturner76 said:
Jesse Jackson was a freedom rider, a sit-in and civil rights protest organizer. Hardly a "race baiter" he knows when he sees racism. I'll give you Obama and Hillary are politicians and exploit every opportunity to grab headlines but that does not mean they just make stuff up all the time

Sorry to have to say it, but, regardless of whether he was known for that many years ago or not, more recently (20 or more years) he has used race as a mechanism to enrich himself. He and others fan the flames of any racial divide, and use that to shakedown companies over imagined infractions. More on this as I get some time. I have a difficult day tomorrow!

mark kennedy · Aug 31, 2016

Far Side Of the Moon said:
Its evident there's tension and anger..I can even see it cross over into the forums.

I think one obvious step is to of course hear each other out and make an effort to understand each person's point of view. However, the problem with that is that things can get heated really quickly and just deter from the intended goal.

Equality is what everyone is obviously crying from their soul, from whites concerning proper news coverage when it comes to black on white crimes..or just crimes period... To blacks with simple justice concerning white on black crimes ( these are just *some* of the things I heard) ...

However to do this it would require an unbiased mind...still a start would be nice.

Serious answers..only..

No pot stirrers.

Everyone is free to have an opinion..just let it add something to the goal of the thread.

Seen an article today about how Chicogo just came through their most violent summer ever. One interesting statistic stood out, even though blacks are only 1\3 of the population 4\5 of the victims of violent crime are black. What's going on here? The article suggests a defacto segregation since whites left the worst areas long ago. The situation in Fergason, before the shooting of a child with a toy gun, is often described in simular terms.

Taking a cursory glance at the New Testament the fact is, there is no difference between slave and free, Jew or Gentile, scholar or illiterate, rich or poor, it follows, there is no difference between black and white. Believe it or not just over a hundred years ago the COGIC church on Azuza street in LA had the solution. Whites and blacks worshiped together at a time when No one did this. In 1915 at Hot Spring Arkansas white members left to form the assemblies of God. A Christian revival ripe with promise failed to resolve the racial divide.

Eric Holder called America an apartide because whites and blacks don't socialize away from work. In a place where we celebrate freedom and justice where the church has flourished from sea to see, we still can't figure out what God made obvious 2000 years ago. Martin Luther King famously said he had s dream that people would be judged by the content of there character instead of the color of their skin. I would submit to you that the good reverend had it backwards. That's not the dream that's the reality the dream, the delusion is that there is a dividing line in the first place. As the Scriptures say, there is no difference.

Grace and peace,
Mark

rturner76 · Aug 31, 2016

SpunkyDoodle said:
Sorry to have to say it, but, regardless of whether he was known for that many years ago or not, more recently (20 or more years) he has used race as a mechanism to enrich himself. He and others fan the flames of any racial divide, and use that to shakedown companies over imagined infractions. More on this as I get some time. I have a difficult day tomorrow!

If a company is employing racist hiring orpromotion practices, they should be called out for it. I don't believe Jesse Jackson is going into situations and falsely making claims of discrimination. People who are not the victims of discrimination do not know what it feels like.

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