Hhmmm, eternal security for the believer. OSAS? Well it's a good thing I'm not here on a popularity contest, because no matter what I say somebody won't like it!
You are so right about that. But at least you
'said it in the right spirit' which is just about as important as what you say
'being right' IMO. That comment will draw fire too if the right/wrong
person sees it. Doggone legalists anyway. I always say;
"I'd rather walk it right and talk it wrong, than to talk it right and walk it wrong." Walking will reveal character, and character is what God's looking for
most IMO.
What does the Bible say? Obviously it says things that can be taken both ways,
Amen, and therein lies our topics for discussion with fellow believers here at CF.
just like I've seen the pre, mid, and post trib position supported - as well as no rapture at all. My position is I want to be on the first truckload, found to be worthy to escape the Judgment that is to come, and be told enter into rest His good and faithful servant.
And I personally went from
pre to
no rapture at all. So was I wrong and now I'm right or was I right and now I'm wrong???? Who really knows. BUT, if there
is a rapture and I don't believe in it, will God leave me behind? I think not.
On the other hand, if there
isn't a rapture...how many 'fire insurance' believers are pursuing God hard enough now, to go through it as an 'overcomer'? So I'm happy to 'error' on the side of no rapture.
My position is Jesus is Lord, and all Judgment is given unto the Son. My position is no part of Christianity involves telling others they're going to hell, that's not witnessing or evangelizing, but our relationship with Him is paramount.
You don't tell people they're going to HELL??? Why, that's equivalent to Paul writing most of the NT and never mentioning the word 'hell' at all...CAN THAT BE RIGHT!?!?!?
OSAS in Scipture:
1 Tim 1:19 "Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck"
"I therefore so run, not as uncertainly; so fight I, not as one that beateth the air: 1 Cor 9:27 But I keep under my body, and bring [it] into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway."
Yes I'm aware of John 10:29, " no [man] is able to pluck [them] out of my Father's hand."
That doesn't mean we can't willfully disobey.
Yep, scriptures for and against. That's why there are two very big camps with lots of 'very smart' people in both. Me...I believe that both camps are half right...and also therefore...half wrong. My theology has a believe that incorporates both. So I consider myself
all right.
But I didn't mention OSAS for the purpose of debate with you. I was just wondering if you were a OSAS person who just put the "mortal sin" scriptures in a bag with the top tied shut so you never had to look/deal with them.
BTW, what do you do with
John 10:29?
Seeya Raze.
