LDS Mormons Take Satan's Deception From Genesis

[mmksparbud]

Yes what? Post 37 does not mention the word "invisible" once. That was the distinguishing characteristic being discussed.

Tell me how Jesus is invisible? If God is invisible per post 23, then according to Scott, Jesus cannot be God. Answer this conundrum. Not another one.

Jesus did not reveal Himself to Moses full on without veiling Himself else Moses would have died! Jesus was the same with His Father before the incarnation. They were of exactly the same essence as Jesus is the only natural Son He has---a part of Himself. It is too bad that you can not understand the true Son of God. You have a very sad and weak idea of who He is -- so did your prophets--BY wanted to shake the hand of the "Father!! Shake His hand indeed!! He will have to change his pants when He sees Him! Your prophets are small minded and arrogant and have no idea of what they say. If you can not see that in post 37 it is clear that the great I am---the Jehovah God--was Jesus, you can not be helped. You have shut yourself off from the true Holy Spirit which is the only unforgivable sin. Jesus was, always will be God! There is no conundrum, except in your mixed up mind! Get out from under JS and the whole rest of this and enter into fellowship with the One and Only Real, True, Magnificent God who created everything from nothing and needed no help from a fallen angel to bring about the children of Adam and Ever! Everything you believe is a lie. The real Godhead is soooooooo much more than you have been told! Invisible? You think invisibility is the only thing that makes a God? Ridiculous!! Even the angels can be invisible!!! Satan is invisible---we are not yet privy to the realm of God. Get out, get out from this horrible lie you live before it is too late!! If you do not know Him, He will not know you!!

Do not hear these words spoken to you:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

 

[Peter1000]

But Jesus Christ is not a god! He is not a lord! He is THE God, He is THE Lord. And NOT just the God and the Lord with which we have to do. He is the God and the Lord with which ANYONE in all existence has to do. Besides Him there is none other. Neither before Him, nor after Him, nor at any other time in all creation. He alone is God, He's the only God, and besides Him there is no other.

How dare anyone blaspheme by believing or teaching anything but that! How dare anyone try and detract from His true glory! Mormonism is a blasphemy from hell! The word of God and the Holy Spirit exalt the Lord above all! And the scriptures Mormons try and twist to support their false and blasphemous beliefs are so obviously misapplied. Those filled with the Holy Spirit know what the scriptures truly mean, as we live it daily.

OK you say that Jesus is THE God,
He is the God and Lord of ANYONE in existence.
Beside Jesus there is none other.
Before Jesus there is none.
After Jesus there is none.
Jesus alone is God.
Jesus is the only God.

OK, I get that you think Jesus is the only God and Jesus is it, none other.

So how do you read a scripture like: John 20:17 when Jesus, the only God, tells Mary that he, the only God is ascending to heaven to meet with his God, and his Father?

Wait a minute, if Jesus is the only God, who is this other God that Jesus (the only God) is ascending to heaven to meet with? Please explain.

 

[Peter1000]

Jesus did not reveal Himself to Moses full on without veiling Himself else Moses would have died! Jesus was the same with His Father before the incarnation. They were of exactly the same essence as Jesus is the only natural Son He has---a part of Himself. It is too bad that you can not understand the true Son of God. You have a very sad and weak idea of who He is -- so did your prophets--BY wanted to shake the hand of the "Father!! Shake His hand indeed!! He will have to change his pants when He sees Him! Your prophets are small minded and arrogant and have no idea of what they say. If you can not see that in post 37 it is clear that the great I am---the Jehovah God--was Jesus, you can not be helped. You have shut yourself off from the true Holy Spirit which is the only unforgivable sin. Jesus was, always will be God! There is no conundrum, except in your mixed up mind! Get out from under JS and the whole rest of this and enter into fellowship with the One and Only Real, True, Magnificent God who created everything from nothing and needed no help from a fallen angel to bring about the children of Adam and Ever! Everything you believe is a lie. The real Godhead is soooooooo much more than you have been told! Invisible? You think invisibility is the only thing that makes a God? Ridiculous!! Even the angels can be invisible!!! Satan is invisible---we are not yet privy to the realm of God. Get out, get out from this horrible lie you live before it is too late!! If you do not know Him, He will not know you!!

Do not hear these words spoken to you:
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Look, I was told that by Scott that God is invisible. He started it all. All I said that if God is invisible, Jesus, according to you, cannot be God, because Jesus is not invisible.

Do you believe that Jesus is invisible?

 

[Jamesone5]

I'm just saying that God is the source of truth, not books, all of which were compiled by mortal hands. So if God reveals something today that appears to be different than what was compiled into a book yesterday, or 2000 years ago, it is short-sighted to ascribe to God the mortal condition of having "changed his mind." God works with us and through us, not in spite of us. We've got to allow him to do just that. Else we become entrenched in dogma, rather than being continually fed by the source of truth.

OH?

Christ seems to disagree with you here.


2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God,a nd is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for a]'>[a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


What we now call, the Bible is one of those books you refer to.
and this a curios statement

Else we become entrenched in dogma, rather than being continually fed by the source of truth.--TasteForTruth

Wouldn't that be the Bible [one of those book]in which we find Truth?

 

[Peter1000]

I assure you that the Bible is not full of any such. The written word of God is always testifying to the Lord God, Jesus Christ, whose Name is above every other name.

Joseph Smith was a lying pervert and Mormonism is another gospel.

The good news is that our sins can be forgiven and we can be in fellowship with God forever, worshiping Him and basking in His glory.

You have no idea what you are saying when you say God is one of many. You would fall dead on your face if you could so much as catch a tiny glimpse of God! There are none like Him! How dare anyone believe others to be like Him! Mormonism is straight from Hell! You have no idea what you were doing when you say that YHWH is one of many. You really have no idea what you're saying. Oh, you should tremble at the very thought of God! He who always was and always will be; the great I AM. He alone is worthy of all glory and honor and worship forever and ever and ever. And NO ONE ELSE will EVER receive the worship that God, revealed through our Lord Jesus Christ, will receive.

If only you could catch a glimpse! You'd fall flat on your face. And the very words spoken that blaspheme God and attempt to reduce Him will brand your soul with the hottest iron in the presence of He who sits upon the throne. What an awful thing for those who love the lie!

This is the first time I have heard of you on the forum, so welcome.

But with these bitter words, I'm not sure that you should portray yourself as a dove with an olive branch. A dove delivering an olive branch usually is expressing love to the one being given the olive branch. Just thinking outloud.

 

[TasteForTruth]

OH?

Christ seems to disagree with you here.


2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for a]'>[a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


What we now call, the Bible is one of those books you refer to.

I was clarifying the position of those who embrace the Restored Gospel. That's all. Perhaps if I'd have said "[We believe] that God is the source of truth, not books..." you'd have seen that I'm not assaulting your beliefs, but declaring mine. But yes, the Bible is included in "the books" to which I alluded, which I believe are repositories of truth—not the source of truth—and which are subordinate at all times to the source (God).

Incidentally, the scripture you cited says that all scripture is given by inspiration of God. That's what I've been saying, assuming by "scripture" we're both talking about "truths contained in scripture" and not just words that are assigned the label "scripture" by men. Anyway, I don't see how I'm contradicted by the scripture you provided.

 

[mmksparbud]

Look, I was told that by Scott that God is invisible. He started it all. All I said that if God is invisible, Jesus, according to you, cannot be God, because Jesus is not invisible.

Do you believe that Jesus is invisible?

He can be. So can Satan. Jesus is different now as He is human and the Father never was nor ever will be. Jesus remains God, and remains human. Don't even try to figure it out---you can't. Jesus was with the disciples on the road to Emmaus---after they were seated at the table and He broke the bread---He immediately disappeared right in front of them. No conundrum! He disappeared!

 

[TasteForTruth]

He can be. So can Satan. Jesus is different now as He is human and the Father never was nor ever will be. Jesus remains God, and remains human. Don't even try to figure it out---you can't. Jesus was with the disciples on the road to Emmaus---after they were seated at the table and He broke the bread---He immediately disappeared right in front of them. No conundrum! He disappeared!

Wait, I don't understand something. Where do you believe the physical person of Jesus is right now?

 

[Jamesone5]

I was clarifying the position of those who embrace the Restored Gospel. That's all. Perhaps if I'd have said "[We believe] that God is the source of truth, not books..." you'd have seen that I'm not assaulting your beliefs, but declaring mine. But yes, the Bible is included in "the books" to which I alluded, which I believe are repositories of truth—not the source of truth—and which are subordinate at all times to the source (God).

Incidentally, the scripture you cited says that all scripture is given by inspiration. That's what I've been saying, assuming by "scripture" we're both talking about "truths contained in scripture" and not just words that are assigned the label "scripture" by men. Anyway, I don't see how I'm contradicted by the scripture you provided.

What are "repositories of truth" that you allude to?

And, to you--- is truth elusive?

We are told this:

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

 

[He is the way]

But Jesus Christ is not a god! He is not a lord! He is THE God, He is THE Lord. And NOT just the God and the Lord with which we have to do. He is the God and the Lord with which ANYONE in all existence has to do. Besides Him there is none other. Neither before Him, nor after Him, nor at any other time in all creation. He alone is God, He's the only God, and besides Him there is no other.

How dare anyone blaspheme by believing or teaching anything but that! How dare anyone try and detract from His true glory! Mormonism is a blasphemy from hell! The word of God and the Holy Spirit exalt the Lord above all! And the scriptures Mormons try and twist to support their false and blasphemous beliefs are so obviously misapplied. Those filled with the Holy Spirit know what the scriptures truly mean, as we live it daily.

Seems you are leaving out the Father and the Holy Ghost. Jesus did not pray to Himself. The Father is God to Jesus:
(New Testament | John 20:17)

17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

The Father is our God and Father:

(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:6)

6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

 

[TasteForTruth]

What are "repositories of truth" that you allude to?

Any document or book containing at least one truth is a repository of truth.

And, to you--- is truth elusive?

Elusive? Figuratively, yes, but only when its discovery is impeded by something.

We are told this:

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Yes, an inspiring doctrine. Good stuff. Thanks for posting.

 

[He is the way]

Are you trying to tell me that it was supposedly revealed outside the Bible? God put it into His Word and later changed His Mind, through Joseph Smith?

That's seems to be your story here.

Not everyone understands the Bible correctly.

 

[He is the way]

Look, I was told that by Scott that God is invisible. He started it all. All I said that if God is invisible, Jesus, according to you, cannot be God, because Jesus is not invisible.

Do you believe that Jesus is invisible?

I believe that Jesus can be invisible or visible. It is His choice. Thanks Perer1000.

 

[Jamesone5]

Any document or book containing at least one truth is a repository of truth.

Elusive? Figuratively, yes, but only when its discovery is impeded by something.

Yes, an inspiring doctrine. Good stuff. Thanks for posting.

So the Koran would be one of these repositories of truth, even the Satanic Bible would be if it had just one truth in it.

Seems you are seeking this truth but you are on a wild goose chase if you do not Trust God enough to deliver to you all truth through the Bible.

How would anyone measure truth without a Bible as a anchor of sorts?

Figuratively elusive truth. Hmmm

How would you know or not if something is impeding the truth coming forth?

 

[He is the way]

So the Koran would be one of these repositories of truth, even the Satanic Bible would be if it had just one truth in it.

Seems you are seeking this truth but you are on a wild goose chase if you do not Trust God enough to deliver to you all truth through the Bible.

How would anyone measure truth without a Bible as a anchor of sorts?

Figuratively elusive truth. Hmmm

How would you know or not if something is impeding the truth coming forth?

We can know the truth through the Holy Spirit which is given to those who keep the commandments:

(New Testament | John 14:15 - 17)

15 ¶ If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

 

[TasteForTruth]

So the Koran would be one of these repositories of truth, even the Satanic Bible would be if it had just one truth in it.

Sure. Truth can be found anywhere. So can falsehoods. Sometimes they're found alongside one another. Wheat and tares in the same field, that kind of thing. This seems quite uncontroversial to me.

Seems you are seeking this truth but you are on a wild goose chase if you do not Trust God enough to deliver to you all truth through the Bible.

Well, the reason I trust any portion of the Bible at all is because I trust God, who has given me cause to do so. That would apply, then, to any so-called scripture. The pattern here is looking to the source—God—and not the book, as the ultimate source of the answer.

How would anyone measure truth without a Bible as a anchor of sorts?

Well, we do have to have a standard against which to measure. You're right about that. In the Restored Gospel, the standard is revelation from God. If that's one's anchor, it's hard to go wrong. In other religions, there may be a different standard.

Figuratively elusive truth. Hmmm

How would you know or not if something is impeding the truth coming forth?

Well, if you are perpetually dissatisfied in your search, that's a good indicator that you're encountering an impediment. That isn't to say that discontinuing a search and declaring success actually means you've succeeded; it only speaks to the question of discerning the existence of an impediment.

 

[Scott Husted]

OH?

Christ seems to disagree with you here.


2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for a]'>[a]instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


What we now call, the Bible is one of those books you refer to.
and this a curios statement

Else we become entrenched in dogma, rather than being continually fed by the source of truth.--TasteForTruth

Wouldn't that be the Bible [one of those book]in which we find Truth?

Truth is in plain site, let alone in the Bible, but I wouldn't think Paul would be so arrogant as to refer to his own writings as being scripture in the class of the one's he was obviously speaking about and grew up with. In one place he evens says he had no commandment from God about a certain thing, but thought you should listen to him anyway since he was approved of Him.

 

[Sam81]

OK you say that Jesus is THE God,
He is the God and Lord of ANYONE in existence.
Beside Jesus there is none other.
Before Jesus there is none.
After Jesus there is none.
Jesus alone is God.
Jesus is the only God.

OK, I get that you think Jesus is the only God and Jesus is it, none other.

So how do you read a scripture like: John 20:17 when Jesus, the only God, tells Mary that he, the only God is ascending to heaven to meet with his God, and his Father?

Wait a minute, if Jesus is the only God, who is this other God that Jesus (the only God) is ascending to heaven to meet with? Please explain.

This scripture doesn't present a problem at all for those who hold to the proper understanding of the Godhead. John 20:17 is beautiful in that the recently risen Jesus acknowledges what His work on the cross and victory over death had accomplished. Indeed, His Father is now our Father.

As for His God being our God, notice how He said, "Do not touch me yet." Jesus had not yet ascended into Heaven and reunited with the Father, with Whom in the beginning He had shared much Glory. (John 17:5) You see, though Jesus was the second Person of the Trinity, the Son of man was humble and obedient to the death. Indeed, Philippians 2:6 tells us that Jesus, being in the form of God, emptied Himself, choosing not to retain His equality with God. This is why He couldn't yet be touched, and it's why He referred to the Father as His God (otherwise He would still have equality with God!).

But now Jesus has regained His glory; He has ascended. He's with God, and IS God. And to Him alone belongs all praise and glory forever and ever. Amen.

This is the first time I have heard of you on the forum, so welcome.

But with these bitter words, I'm not sure that you should portray yourself as a dove with an olive branch. A dove delivering an olive branch usually is expressing love to the one being given the olive branch. Just thinking outloud.

This is a very serious matter. My words are not bitter, they are extremely serious.

 

[He is the way]

This scripture doesn't present a problem at all for those who hold to the proper understanding of the Godhead. John 20:17 is beautiful in that the recently risen Jesus acknowledges what His work on the cross and victory over death had accomplished. Indeed, His Father is now our Father.

As for His God being our God, notice how He said, "Do not touch me yet." Jesus had not yet ascended into Heaven and reunited with the Father, with Whom in the beginning He had shared much Glory. (John 17:5) You see, though Jesus was the second Person of the Trinity, the Son of man was humble and obedient to the death. Indeed, Philippians 2:6 tells us that Jesus, being in the form of God, emptied Himself, choosing not to retain His equality with God. This is why He couldn't yet be touched, and it's why He referred to the Father as His God (otherwise He would still have equality with God!).

But now Jesus has regained His glory; He has ascended. He's with God, and IS God. And to Him alone belongs all praise and glory forever and ever. Amen.


This is a very serious matter. My words are not bitter, they are extremely serious.

We know how Jesus is one with the Father because He told us:

(New Testament | John 17:11)

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

They are ONE in glory and perfection.

 

[Sam81]

We know how Jesus is one with the Father because He told us:

(New Testament | John 17:11)

11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

(New Testament | John 17:21 - 23)

21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

They are ONE in glory and perfection.

Right. It is in Jesus Christ that God and man are restored to fellowship. The Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost are one. And Christ and the church are one, like a husband and his wife. But the way Mormonism interprets those scriptures is a perversion. Such beautiful passages have nothing to do with celestial sex, multiple gods, other planets, spirit brothers, exaltation of man, or any other vile, farfetched blasphemy.