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For us there is only one God the Father and He is the God of LOVE.
I still see nothing wrong with Isaiah's vision and prophesy. the word "as" changes nothing.Nice try. The word "as" is the problem there
Isaiah 29:10
11 And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:
Kind of like a disease with Mormons who never seem to read a verse fully and/or take it out of context.
A country singer can say they know about love or loving their dog and/or their wife. An atheist even can say they love someone.
What makes you think you have this special love from God?
One of the commandments is to refrain from worshiping false gods, because there is only One God and all the others are demons. Mormon theology results in gods who are false, so that anyone who embraces those gods is worshiping demons. It is impossible, therefore, for a Mormon believer to become perfected by obeying all the commandments. That is not to say that they are of necessity completely lacking in grace. But they can't receive a fullness of grace.Anyone can have that LOVE if they keep the commandments:
(New Testament | John 15:10)
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Anyone can have that LOVE if they keep the commandments:
(New Testament | John 15:10)
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
Keep up the good fight, my dear and I would say always acknowledge that only God could have delivered you from such deception.
If God the Father is a false God then we worship a false God. If not why do you accuse us of worshiping a false God?:One of the commandments is to refrain from worshiping false gods, because there is only One God and all the others are demons. Mormon theology results in gods who are false, so that anyone who embraces those gods is worshiping demons. It is impossible, therefore, for a Mormon believer to become perfected by obeying all the commandments. That is not to say that they are of necessity completely lacking in grace. But they can't receive a fullness of grace.
Yes we have been through this and the Bible is clear about this:so, tell me ---those who don't receive his love are those who break His commandments?. I though He was the God of love. Or really only those who keep his commandments? He must hates the whole human race according to you as "All have Sinned and fall short of the Glory of God" ---Romans 3:23
We've been through this before
1 John 4:19
We love Him because He first loved us.
And
1 John 4:8-10 (NKJV)
8 He who does not love does not know God, for God is love.In this the love of God was manifested toward us, that God has sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him. 10 In this is love,not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Do you understand what manifested love is? Can you claim to have received it when we are definitely in a disagreement about God OR really, how many God's you Mormons worship.
And---- what it means to live through Him?
Yes we have been through this and the Bible is clear about this
This is also something that you made up. I didn't use those words. I didn't make that claim. Those are your words. And that is your spin on what was meant.
Once again, this is something you made up---Ran77
You seem to post random nonsense that somehow makes your false claims make sense to only you.
You did say "You [meaning I] made things up" and then you continue on with this false claim. I am guessing you have now reached 6 or 7 of these false claims.
Want to try for more?
What? does Mormonism teach one to only to look outward to point out the imaginary sins of others? When your claim against me is essentially bearing false witness. Do we even have to teach you what that is?
Are you so frustrated that you cannot win even one argument?
The statement that forms the title for this thread is not true. At least not for the main branch of the LDS church. The members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe that all who turned to the Savior have come unto Christ. Since I'm not sure what the current rules are for quoting our church website, I will paraphrase what it says.
Begin with a molecule of faith. Simply having the desire to believe gives room for the promises of God to find a home in your heart. And that is enough to start.
The rest of the article mentions; repent and change what we can, taking His name upon us, and following the Son. These are the steps that the members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints believe to be "Coming unto Christ."
He who denies the Son does not have the Father either (1 John 2:23). When a man lies and says that the Son is not of one, timeless essence with the Father, He denies that the Son is truly God. If you deny the Eternally existing Word of the Eternally existing Father (Eternal means "without beginning and without end") then you deny the Father also. Scripture does not lie. False teachers, on the other hand, lie about many things. They distort the face of God by their false teachings, and create gods after their own imperfect reasoning powers.If God the Father is a false God then we worship a false God. If not why do you accuse us of worshiping a false God?:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
I say your god is false because of this: The Word of God (the Son) is the "Mind" of the Father. The very "Mind" of the Father became flesh. If you deny the "Mind" of the Father, you deny the Father. So whatever "version" of the Father you are worshiping... it's a false version, and is absolutely and without any doubt whatsoever a false god.If God the Father is a false God then we worship a false God. If not why do you accuse us of worshiping a false God?:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
If God the Father is a false God then we worship a false God. If not why do you accuse us of worshiping a false God?:
(New Testament | 1 Corinthians 8:5 - 6)
5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,)
6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
(Old Testament | Exodus 4:16)
16 And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth,
(Old Testament | Exodus 7:1)
1 AND the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet.
Moses was a god to Pharaoh.
You said: "How do you have the knowldge of the Lord [God] and Saviour Jesus Christ when you don't even recognize Him as part of the One True God?(New Testament | 2 Peter 2:20 - 22)
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.
21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.
How do you have the knowldge of the Lord [God] and Saviour Jesus Christ when you don't even recognize Him as part of the One True God?
(New Testament | John 5:14)
14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.
And you of course sin no more? Or can you before God say: "I do not sin--ever"?
(New Testament | Hebrews 6:4 - 6)
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
Were you once enlightened through the True Holy Ghost? Unless you can positively answer to those verses----they do NOT apply to you. The True Holy Ghost [Spirit] tells us to discern error---yours obviously tells you to accept error. You have already proved to me that you do not know how to read the Bible.
With trying to make Moses, God to Aaron in your rendering without the simple word "as".
You have trouble with the little words don't you?
Here it is the word "a".--As in A god to Pharaoh or really one who can judge Pharaoh.
Remedial reading lessons might help the Mormons.
Here is you other problem and your KJ version says it differently.
and thou shalt be to him instead of God.
Neither version says "He is God to him" not even "a" god.
So far you have proved to me only that you cannot comprehend the Bible
Who is the God of Jesus?He who denies the Son does not have the Father either (1 John 2:23). When a man lies and says that the Son is not of one, timeless essence with the Father, He denies that the Son is truly God. If you deny the Eternally existing Word of the Eternally existing Father (Eternal means "without beginning and without end") then you deny the Father also. Scripture does not lie. False teachers, on the other hand, lie about many things. They distort the face of God by their false teachings, and create gods after their own imperfect reasoning powers.
You're not keeping His commandments because you are worshiping a false godYou said: "How do you have the knowldge of the Lord [God] and Saviour Jesus Christ when you don't even recognize Him as part of the One True God?
There is only one way to know God and that is by keeping the commandments:
(New Testament | 1 John 2:4)
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Who is Jesus' God and Father:
(New Testament | John 20:17)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
You said: And you of course sin no more? Or can you before God say: "I do not sin--ever"?
(New Testament | Hebrews 10:26)
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
You said: "Were you once enlightened through the True Holy Ghost? Unless you can positively answer to those verses----they do NOT apply to you. The True Holy Ghost [Spirit] tells us to discern error---yours obviously tells you to accept error. You have already proved to me that you do not know how to read the Bible.
With trying to make Moses, God to Aaron in your rendering without the simple word "as".
Everyone understands the scriptures differently. I do not believe that the word "as" nullifies the whole scripture.
Jesus is both God and man. As man, God is His God. But God is the Father, Word of the Father, and Spirit of the Father: One God, Not 3 gods.Who is the God of Jesus?
God the Father is mighty enough to make man equal to Himself.I say your god is false because of this: The Word of God (the Son) is the "Mind" of the Father. The very "Mind" of the Father became flesh. If you deny the "Mind" of the Father, you deny the Father. So whatever "version" of the Father you are worshiping... it's a false version, and is absolutely and without any doubt whatsoever a false god.
Your god is puny in comparison to "True God of True God". Your God has an equal called "matter" which has existed along with him from eternity, and which he depends upon to create anything. Your god doesn't even exist except as a demon. It is the same demon, or demons, who appeared in a vision to your false prophet, and other false prophets. Our God is True. Jesus Christ, the Son, is the incarnate "Mind" of God the Father, and together with the Holy Spirit They exist without beginning or end, and call all things into existence (including "matter" itself) which did not exist prior. Our God depends upon nothing, but is beyond all our understanding of perfection. Your god, since a God Who is more perfect can be thought of, is not really God. It's not even a remote possibility.
But you do know that what I'm saying is true. We always know, even if we won't admit it to ourselves, what the truth is. You just don't, at this juncture, have what is necessary to muster up any desire to repent of this false religion you belong to and promote. As in the case of all of us, our sinful pride and love of the world is standing in the way of true repentance.
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