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I would just like to share a recent view of God called the "openness of God". It was proposed by Clark H. Pinnock, a professor of theology at McMaster Dvinity College, in his book Most Moved Mover. This new view of God challenges a lot of the mainstream Christian views. It also resembles a lot of the LDS teachings and beliefs. Just another example of how more and more people are providing support for the LDS Church, whether indirectly or directly. If you want to know more about it you can go on FARMS, or search it and find tons of artciles about it.
 

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In the Didsbury Lectures at the University of Manchester for the year 2000, Clark H. Pinnock, professor of theology at McMaster Divinity College in Canada, provided the most recent treatment of a new evangelical vision of God-one that is centered on the "openness of God." Most Moved Mover is the compilation of these lectures in which Pinnock offers a compelling portrait of God that challenges the so-called classical or traditional account of God formulated by early Christian theologians who were heavily influenced by Greek philosophy. Pinnock passionately denounces the idea that God is impassible, immutable, simple, and timeless. He vehemently rejects conventional ideas that God is primarily a "punitive authority," a "metaphysical immobility," or an "all-controlling power" (p. 1). Instead, he offers an "open" view of God that emphasizes his profound passibility and his genuine interpersonal relationships with other moral agents. The "open" God enters into authentic give-and-take relationships with human beings and leaves the future partly undetermined, allowing human beings to have an active role as agents within the unfolding of his purposes.

Notwithstanding the apparent attractiveness of the open view of God, the model has not enjoyed widespread acceptance within the evangelical community; in fact, it has been met by some with stopping of ears and gnashing of teeth. As an unabashed challenge to the more conventional Christian understanding of God, the openness model has encountered significant resistance, none of which has discouraged the architects of the view.
In other words, God is not omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient.

Both Christians and Mormons should denounce this guy.
 
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Apex said:
I would just like to share a recent view of God called the "openness of God". It was proposed by Clark H. Pinnock, a professor of theology at McMaster Dvinity College, in his book Most Moved Mover. This new view of God challenges a lot of the mainstream Christian views. It also resembles a lot of the LDS teachings and beliefs. Just another example of how more and more people are providing support for the LDS Church, whether indirectly or directly. If you want to know more about it you can go on FARMS, or search it and find tons of artciles about it.
One man's opinion on something does not change the truth of "what is". Wicca and Eastern mystisism have also become quite popular and many people are starting to embrase those views. Does that mean that it is a good thing and that it is what God wants? NO.
 
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I did not say that every aspect of his ideas exactly resemble LDS belifes. This is just to show that non-LDS people are begining to relize that there are problems with some of the mainstream Christian views. He is saying that God is a passionate person who has genuine affection for His children. From what I have seen from mainstream Christians is that we can not have a genuine relationship with God, for he is too far beyond us. I am not saying that we are equal with God or anything, but that it is possible to have a relationship with God. What I have seen from mainstream Christians is we can only have a relationship with Christ, but this still contradicts mainstream Christianity, becuse mainstream Christians say that God and Jesus are one in body.
In other words, God is not omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient.
Where does it say this?
 
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Apex said:
I did not say that every aspect of his ideas exactly resemble LDS belifes. This is just to show that non-LDS people are begining to relize that there are problems with some of the mainstream Christian views.
People have debated Christian theology since it all started. This is nothing new.

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He is saying that God is a passionate person who has genuine affection for His children. From what I have seen from mainstream Christians is that we can not have a genuine relationship with God, for he is too far beyond us.
You're sadly misinformed.

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I am not saying that we are equal with God or anything, but that it is possible to have a relationship with God. What I have seen from mainstream Christians is we can only have a relationship with Christ, but this still contradicts mainstream Christianity, becuse mainstream Christians say that God and Jesus are one in body.
The Trinity is three persona with one essence. I recommend you read this:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm


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Where does it say this?
Read what I underlined.
 
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The Trinity is three persona with one essence. I recommend you read this:
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

Which ironically is not a Biblical concept but an extra-biblically created one.
Since this is the most "chiefest" reason Christians falsely exclude LDS from being Christian, it's simply a non-tenable reason, especially when some early Orthodox Church Fathers had the same views as LDS as to the Nature of God but were still considered "Christian".
 
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usetheforce said:
Which ironically is not a Biblical concept but an extra-biblically created one.
Since this is the most "chiefest" reason Christians falsely exclude LDS from being Christian, it's simply a non-tenable reason, especially when some early Orthodox Church Fathers had the same views as LDS as to the Nature of God but were still considered "Christian".
Of course the trinity is Biblical, it just isn't lds "appropriate.
 
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some early Orthodox Church Fathers had the same views as LDS as to the Nature of God but were still considered "Christian".


Exactly.

The definitions of "Orthodox Christianity" waffle more than Kerry. It is merely an instrument used for casting judgement, including, and excluding.
 
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In other words, God is not omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient.

Both Christians and Mormons should denounce this guy.
Amen, this is nothing more then typical pagan propaganda trying to take a little taste of Christianity without committing. Heresy.
 
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Apex said:
I did not say that every aspect of his ideas exactly resemble LDS belifes. This is just to show that non-LDS people are begining to relize that there are problems with some of the mainstream Christian views. He is saying that God is a passionate person who has genuine affection for His children. From what I have seen from mainstream Christians is that we can not have a genuine relationship with God, for he is too far beyond us. I am not saying that we are equal with God or anything, but that it is possible to have a relationship with God. What I have seen from mainstream Christians is we can only have a relationship with Christ, but this still contradicts mainstream Christianity, becuse mainstream Christians say that God and Jesus are one in body.
Where does it say this?
I am what you would call a funamental Christian and I do have a relationship with Jesus Christ that is personal and fulfilling. This does not mean though that I dont have a deep reverence and respect for Him and understand that God is not a man and that I am most blessed to even be able to speak His Holy Name without dying instantly. If you think that "mainstream" Christianity does not have a personal relationship with God, you are mistaken. This is the very premise of our being a Christian.
 
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usetheforce said:
Which ironically is not a Biblical concept but an extra-biblically created one.
Since this is the most "chiefest" reason Christians falsely exclude LDS from being Christian, it's simply a non-tenable reason, especially when some early Orthodox Church Fathers had the same views as LDS as to the Nature of God but were still considered "Christian".
The Trinity is not the "chief" reason. I for one would think first of things like God having sex with Mary and man becoming God. The Trinity is definately not a created thing. It is very clear in the pages of the Bible and ironically shows itself in the bom too. But not understanding its concept is something I can definately understand as it is very mysterious and something that will make complete sense only when our minds are back in the way they were intended to be before the fall.
 
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Jason the Evangelist said:
In other words, God is not omnipotent, omnipresent, or omniscient.

Both Christians and Mormons should denounce this guy.
Hi there!

:wave:


"Agreed"


perhaps the most visibly controversial, is the openness view's denial that God possesses exhaustive foreknowledge of the future.....In other words, omniscience cannot include the knowledge of what does not exist.

hmmmm...... The Old Testament prophecies what did not exist

Jesus Christ, God incarnate.


~serapha~
 
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If you think that "mainstream" Christianity does not have a personal relationship with God, you are mistaken. This is the very premise of our being a Christian.
I do not think that all mainstream Christians do not have a relationship with God. But from what I have seen at other Churches around where I live, they act like it is totally impossible to ever have a personal relationship with God. And I do realize that this concept most likley changes from Church to Church.
 
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Apex said:
I do not think that all mainstream Christians do not have a relationship with God. But from what I have seen at other Churches around where I live, they act like it is totally impossible to ever have a personal relationship with God. And I do realize that this concept most likley changes from Church to Church.
What do you mean "they act like it is totally impossible to ever have a personal relationship with God"? That is the focus of coming to Jesus. I have NEVER attended a Christian church that taught that one could not have a personal relationship with God (and I have attended A LOT of Christian churches).

What churches exactly are you talking about that "act like" it is impossible to have a relationship with God? Have you actually attended services at these churches? What churches are they?
 
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I for one would think first of things like God having sex with Mary and man becoming God.
Where is it in our doctrine that "God had sex with Mary", and we can become God??? I have never been taought nor heard that. I have heard and been taught that we can become joint heirs with Jesus, that we can become godlike but we will never be God. But as for "God having sex with Mary", you need to stop watching the god makers.
 
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What churches exactly are you talking about that "act like" it is impossible to have a relationship with God? Have you actually attended services at these churches? What churches are they?
Yes I have attended the services, many times, with one of my non-Mormon friends. My friend even agrees with me on this. I will not give my freinds name out, but their Church says we can have relationship with God but then turns around and acts like the complete opposite. However as I said before this most likley changes from church to church. And I do not belive that this one thing makes other churches wrong. As for what kind of church is it, it is a baptist church.
 
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Yes I have attended the services, many times, with one of my non-Mormon friends. My friend even agrees with me on this. I will not give my freinds name out, but their Church says we can have relationship with God but then turns around and acts like the complete opposite. However as I said before this most likley changes from church to church. And I do not belive that this one thing makes other churches wrong. As for what kind of church is it, it is a baptist church.
How does a church "act like" one cannot have a relationship with God? I think that if you are going to make statements like this that you should clarify and support what you mean by it.
 
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How does a church "act like" one cannot have a relationship with God? I think that if you are going to make statements like this that you should clarify and support what you mean by it.
I can see youre point so I will try and clarify. What I mean is whenver the pastor (or preacher) would speak he would speak as if God was so far high above us that we will never be able to even reach his feet to bow down too. I am not saying that we will ever be equal to God or at his exact level but the preacher just made it seem like it is no use to have a relationship with God becuse he is too far above us. Almost as if He can't even communicate with us spiritually. Now this could just be the preacher. I'm not sure if this clarifies it but Im doing the best I can at the moment.
 
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